For the record (based off this whole page since I made remarks on the previous page), if you want to own an Apache chopper and stockpile an arsenal of AR-15s, you have my 100% support. I'll even walk arm in arm with you to D.C. and support your weird right to have it.

I can't think of any other show on The Outdoor Channel that is more "gooberish" to me than American Rifleman. Oh...my...stars.... seriously, these total nerds who are walking-talking encyclopedias about historical guns and gun makers and patents and every nuanced niche about guns I've never heard of. I swear I think two guys are going to rub each others legs talking about the "WW1 Russian Mauser series IV blah blah blah". "That's right Jim, when Hans Vonshedbrick drew the trigger guard design for the M-1 X 78964.2mm Grenada, he couldn't have known his design would change guns forever!" And I"m like wut tha???? Sigh.

Oh, nevermind, I did think of a more gooberish show....that stupid "self defense" show. Seriously, are those folks not socially awkward and weird to y'all??????????

What in the crap do either of those shows have to do with "outdoors"??? There's no connection with hunting/fishing and being a weirdo gun-fanatic.

Again, what kind of WEIRDO owns a 6mm????? I've never even heard of 6mm!!! I rest my case.

Do you not think there's a reason AR-15s are designed to look like a "machine gun"? Is there an actual reason for that OTHER than an intentional design to look like something that appeals to THAT kind of person? (and I'm not singling out AR guns, I just don't know enough about them to know any other name they go by).

They don't look like normal hunting guns, they look like military machine guns. Why is that? There's no inherent performance advantage over a traditional style rifle (if so, all traditional hunting rifles would change to look like that)
It's appealing to something, and for some reason that appeal seems to be to the weirdest sect of folks. Folks who otherwise show no affinity to "outdoors" things normally associated with guns.

I don't think killers buy those guns because they believe them to be more proficient killing weapons than another, I think the style "sells" them on an image in their own minds, it conjures up some "tough guy" Commando imagery. Think about the artillery that dude had in the Vegas hotel a couple years ago. Again, I don't believe he had normal rifles/calibers. Dude had a freaking 50-cal on a tripod. And again, I'm not against him or you having it, but my spidey-senses are going off when I see it!

I would much rather have a shotgun with buckshot if I was just wickedly intent on going into a crowd and doing damage.

good point. We can probably all agree that nuclear bombs in the hands of whoever wants them is a bad idea. So yes there has to be a cutoff somewhere. The second amendment uses the term "arms" not guns. Pretty sure our founding fathers would agree that all guns are protected under The 2A.

LOTS of things that I don't want or do not want to do or say. But I will fully support the rights of people to have those things, or enjoy themselves as they see fit or say whatever they want, as long as they do not infringe on other's ability to enjoy those freedoms.

I shoot a 6mm. I am weird, but it ain't because of the gun.

IKILL, AR's look like a machine gun because they started as one. If you had served your Country you'd know they started as an M16 and were downgraded and made semi-auto for civilians. I'm curious, are you going to post your manifesto somewhere. Your first comment on this topic seems to be as much a manifesto as anything written.

No but neither did the kings military or the government military. Our forefathers had the insight to know for the masses to remain free from government control like examples the kings and rulers of the terrical governments was to guarantee the people the right to keep and bare arms.

There's plenty of people that need to wake up and smell the coffee... It's not the guns that are causing these killings it's mentally deranged people that our government has put on or left on the street due to closing mental facilities and Big insurance companies not covering mental sicknesses the way that needs to be covered.

There's already too many people telling people what's good or bad for them, what they can and can not own or do. Next they'll be telling you what color and style your hair has to be.... but wait somebody already does that. It's Kim Jong Un and before him Hiltler. Get the point. The only thing that has separated America is freedom and people willing to stand up for their rights. Politicians and farmers alike. Dang I got side tracked. Back to center but that's why the 2nd states "The Right To Bare Arms" and does not specify what type of arms or weapons.

So you're ok with gay marriage? Just curious.

Ikill, would you feel better if they were pink or polka dotted? The left had been attacking AR's as BLACK GUNS.

This thread may make it 20 pages now...

So you're ok with playing God and being the judge of people? I'm sure he does not support that decision but he does support their rights of freedom to make their on decisions and let God do the judging.

Besides what thecornbreadhell as Fred puts it does "gay" have to do with "RIGHT TO BARE ARMS"?

To all the morons that do not or have not read the 2nd. Plz do so it was not put in place for hunting or protecting urself from attacking deer

Big P, what are you talking about? This is a few times now you've insinuated, or just outright said, in some way I'm being "leftist". I want YOU to defend how you think my comments are leftist? I don't have to argue with you, but you have to defend that crap!

Go ahead, your turn--

Perch has been working all day on this and has been stirring this pot so hard that he broke the paddle he was using about 20 min ago. He's got her spinning like a sharknado. Yeah, it'll go 20 pages.

Guns don't kill people.People kill people. I'd bet a Raven .25 acp in the hands of some members here would be just as effective. It ain't bout guns but power&control. Never give up,Never give in.Read the 2nd amendment and understand men and women fought bled and died for us. We owe it to their sacrifices to remain free.

No he did not.

He had a total of 24 guns in that room.

-14 were AR15's in .223
-8 were AR10's in .308
-1 was a Ruger American bolt action in .308
-1 was a S&W model 342 revolver in .38

Buncha commie liberals hanging out here.

It’s really simple. It is no ones business what want,need, or already own as long as it’s legal. As mentioned before, it’s not the gun it the people that for whatever reason is in a terrible place in their lives and for whatever reason decides to take it out on innocent people.

Your ignorance is bewildering.

What exactly is a normal hunting rifle? Or caliber, for that matter ? 30-06? 308?

I hate to burst your bubble, but those rounds were designed specifically for military applications. They were adopted by sportsmen, just like that bolt action rifle you’re toting. You guessed it, military rifle. The Winchester 70 and Remington 700 have both served our troops. Bolt actions, lever actions, even flintlocks were all at one time the cutting edge in military firepower. You must just like military rifles.

The AR 15, on the other hand, have never been weapons of war. They are nothing more than semi auto rifles. Same as a Browning BAR.

Why do ppl like them? They are modular, low recoiling, reliable, extremely easy to maintain( yes easier than your trusty bolt rifle) and quick handling with great ergonomics. But why would anybody want a rifle like that?

As far as your theory of “gun nuts” goes. What’s really stranger? Someone who enjoys shooting sports (action shooting, long range shooting, or just plinking) ? Or someone who spends thousands of dollars on camo, optics, scents, calls, attractants and tree stands, then dedicates countless hours obsessing over the feeding, bedding, mating, and travel habits of a creature, only to get up at 3am and sit through the freezing cold to get a chance to ambush that defenseless animal from your high tech concealment?

Sounds like the latter is one tick off a psychopath killer to me... see how ridiculous your ideology is?