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Re: Why are women soccer players paid less? [Re: Out back] #2846524
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Tell those beotches to shuddup and make me a sammich.

And get nekkid.

I don't think you can convert the carpet munchers!


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Re: Why are women soccer players paid less? [Re: Clem] #2846537
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Originally Posted by Clem
Originally Posted by GomerPyle

Dear USWNT:

You may have won back-to-back Women's World Cups, but you also lost 5-0 to a 13/14yr old boys team from Texas. That is, in a nutshell, why you make less money than the USMNT.


They lost 5-2 in a practice scrimmage, which is-was little more than "Hey, here's a ball and let's kick it around for a bit" like in the yard.

The reason they make less money is men are chauvinist assholes who in the workplace believe women aren't valued enough to make equal pay. When you have a wife and daughter, and you see this ignorant and outdated bullshitt first-hand, it takes on more meaning.

Any of you who have wives or girlfriends who work, ask them if they believe they are being paid the same amount as their male counterparts. Ask your grandmother who might have worked at Kress or for a state agency if they were treated differently. If they say they don't believe they make the same money or were treated differently, tell them that's the way it should be and to go make a sandwich. See what happens.





No, they make less than men because women’s sports are boring compared to men’s. Boring equals less sponsorship, less sponsorship means less money. It’s simple capitalism.

Re: Why are women soccer players paid less? [Re: Clem] #2846543
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Originally Posted by Clem
Originally Posted by GomerPyle

Dear USWNT:

You may have won back-to-back Women's World Cups, but you also lost 5-0 to a 13/14yr old boys team from Texas. That is, in a nutshell, why you make less money than the USMNT.


They lost 5-2 in a practice scrimmage, which is-was little more than "Hey, here's a ball and let's kick it around for a bit" like in the yard.

The reason they make less money is men are chauvinist assholes who in the workplace believe women aren't valued enough to make equal pay. When you have a wife and daughter, and you see this ignorant and outdated bullshitt first-hand, it takes on more meaning.



Disagree completely and so would my female business partner. You painted with a very broad brush there sir.

On that note, to say that women in sports can compete with men at the same level is ignorant regarding human anatomy at best. Now in your world of writing stories, your opinion is most likely true.

Re: Why are women soccer players paid less? [Re: WildlifeBiologist] #2846545
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It is very simple ROI.


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Re: Why are women soccer players paid less? [Re: Clem] #2846548
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Originally Posted by Clem

Any of you who have wives or girlfriends who work, ask them if they believe they are being paid the same amount as their male counterparts. Ask your grandmother who might have worked at Kress or for a state agency if they were treated differently. If they say they don't believe they make the same money or were treated differently, tell them that's the way it should be and to go make a sandwich. See what happens.


The highest paid person on my staff is female. She is a pitbull with lipstick. She is an awesome employee who works her butt off. I see pay scales all over the company. I don't believe the pay disparity stuff for one minute.


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Re: Why are women soccer players paid less? [Re: hunterbuck] #2846549
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Originally Posted by hunterbuck
Originally Posted by Clem


They lost 5-2 in a practice scrimmage, which is-was little more than "Hey, here's a ball and let's kick it around for a bit" like in the yard.





True.

If it had been a REAL game, the boys would have probably won by an even larger margin.

It's just nature. Women cannot compensate for the speed, power, and overall athleticism of boys/men.

Females cannot compete with men at nearly anything considered to be "athletic". It's just the way God made us.

You could probably take the 1A state champion (whoever it was) from Alabama and thump the WNBA champion in basketball.


I was an average high school basketball player. One of the girls from the local community college played some pick up games with us one time. She was 6'2" and started. I figured she would be decent competition. Not even close. She couldn't keep up and was not even competitive.


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Re: Why are women soccer players paid less? [Re: Beer Belly] #2846555
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I'm not ashamed to say that I got my ass kicked by a 120# girl in MCMAP training. She was a black belt instructor and I dare say she could whip most men twice her size.


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Re: Why are women soccer players paid less? [Re: Beer Belly] #2846563
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Re: Why are women soccer players paid less? [Re: Beer Belly] #2846619
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I played tennis in high school and at best was top 10 in the state. I trained and beat girls from all over the world who played D1 at UAB as a 16 year old kid, and I couldn't even come close to competing with the UAB guys from all over the world. There is No comparison athletically between men and women, sports wise. I would argue the opposite though in regards to women getting shafted in the real world at least in the realm of applying to college or grad school though. I as a white male was the lowest on the totem pole when I applied to medical school compared to a female, especially if she is African American.


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Re: Why are women soccer players paid less? [Re: Out back] #2846637
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Originally Posted by Out back
I'm not ashamed to say that I got my ass kicked by a 120# girl in MCMAP training. She was a black belt instructor and I dare say she could whip most men twice her size.


Somehow that scene from police academy comes to mind.


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Re: Why are women soccer players paid less? [Re: Out back] #2846647
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Originally Posted by Out back
I'm not ashamed to say that I got my ass kicked by a 120# girl in MCMAP training. She was a black belt instructor and I dare say she could whip most men twice her size.


Ashamed? You’re proud. You just wanted to say a woman attacked you. grin


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Re: Why are women soccer players paid less? [Re: Beer Belly] #2846651
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Soccer is for commies.


+1

and sissies
and lesbos


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Re: Why are women soccer players paid less? [Re: Beer Belly] #2846686
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Re: Why are women soccer players paid less? [Re: Clem] #2846691
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Originally Posted by Clem
Originally Posted by GomerPyle

Dear USWNT:

You may have won back-to-back Women's World Cups, but you also lost 5-0 to a 13/14yr old boys team from Texas. That is, in a nutshell, why you make less money than the USMNT.


They lost 5-2 in a practice scrimmage, which is-was little more than "Hey, here's a ball and let's kick it around for a bit" like in the yard.

The reason they make less money is men are chauvinist assholes who in the workplace believe women aren't valued enough to make equal pay. When you have a wife and daughter, and you see this ignorant and outdated bullshitt first-hand, it takes on more meaning.

Any of you who have wives or girlfriends who work, ask them if they believe they are being paid the same amount as their male counterparts. Ask your grandmother who might have worked at Kress or for a state agency if they were treated differently. If they say they don't believe they make the same money or were treated differently, tell them that's the way it should be and to go make a sandwich. See what happens.



Respectfully, sir, I do not believe that to be the case today. The female engineers, project managers, etc. where I work make the same or more than their male counterparts. Now, the 10-12 female accounting clerks DO make less than the -male (and female) engineers, but they make the same as the (one) male accounting clerk with similar experience levels.

It has been illegal to differentiate salaries between males and females in equivalent positions, with equivalent experience, for a number of years. The only way that the salary differential argument works is if you compare all female salaries, including daycare workers and grocery store cashiers, to all male salaries, including loggers, engineers, welders, etc.

Female employees are generally less likely to volunteer for overtime and/or extra shifts, which contributes to salary difference. Hell, even in the early 80's the companies that I worked for paid the same REGARDLESS of male or female, if you could do the work. In a production (piece rate) environment, though, most women that I supervised CHOSE to make less and not bust ass for the full shift, even though everyone had the exact same piece rate. And I ain't talking about busting rocks, either. I'm talking about sew plants that were air conditioned, and the harder jobs, that justifiably had a higher piece rate, were almost 100% men, with never a female to even bid on them or attempt to get qualified.

In my current situation, the females in our department make the same or more than the males AT THE SAME EXPERIENCE LEVEL. I deal with a number of highly skilled, professional female salespeople who FAR outpace their male counterparts, and they are paid accordingly.

If you CHOOSE to take 2-10 years off (male or female) when you have kids, it doesn't matter if you are 35 and your coworker is 27. You both have the same years of job experience, regardless of age.


I read recently some statistics about career choices. The 10 lowest paying careers were dominated by women (9/10), and the 10 highest paying careers were dominated by men (8/10).

Not because of chauvinism, but because your regular dude ain't gonna chase a $7 an hour daycare job when the Caterpillar plant down the road pays $21.50 an hour for the guy who lifts tractor tires all day.

Ask yourself how many women go to welding school, even though it is common knowledge that a gold card welder can make $75,000 their first year out of training. Then go back and look at how many women are paying for a 4 year degree in early childhood education, that will make you $35,000 IF you get picked for a public school job, and $24,000 if you have to go private schools.

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Re: Why are women soccer players paid less? [Re: Beer Belly] #2846716
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Clem, as mentioned there are sectors in the work place where it happens, I will say my wife (CRNA) is compensated for her ability rather good I might add. Now sports is all about viewers, which equates too ad revenue, which equates to payday for the athlete. The Williams sisters in tennis are prime examples of this. Make it interesting and the people will show up.

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Originally Posted by Clem
Originally Posted by GomerPyle

Dear USWNT:

You may have won back-to-back Women's World Cups, but you also lost 5-0 to a 13/14yr old boys team from Texas. That is, in a nutshell, why you make less money than the USMNT.


They lost 5-2 in a practice scrimmage, which is-was little more than "Hey, here's a ball and let's kick it around for a bit" like in the yard.

The reason they make less money is men are chauvinist assholes who in the workplace believe women aren't valued enough to make equal pay. When you have a wife and daughter, and you see this ignorant and outdated bullshitt first-hand, it takes on more meaning.

Any of you who have wives or girlfriends who work, ask them if they believe they are being paid the same amount as their male counterparts. Ask your grandmother who might have worked at Kress or for a state agency if they were treated differently. If they say they don't believe they make the same money or were treated differently, tell them that's the way it should be and to go make a sandwich. See what happens.





There are places that this is true. For example, my sister is a cfo for a bank who is paid substantially less than the man that she took over for.
But this soccer thing is a little different, you can’t payout $400 million in salaries to the employees who only generate $131 million. If any organization loses $269 million a year then no one there would have a job.
This is just another group of victims that are bitching about their job and the pay that they agreed to, no different than those who want $15/hour minimum wage.


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Anyone that can’t see why female soccer players (or other female sports/athletes) don’t make the same money as male counterparts, when viewers/revenue is approximately half, or less, either doesn’t want to understand or is just a complete moron.


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I wasn't referencing soccer about the pay disparity. I was talking about jobs in general.

For those whose wife or daughter(s) are making equal to or more money than male counterparts when in the same job with equal knowledge, education, talent, skills, abilities and tasks-projects, bravo. For those at companies or who own companies where women are paid the same or more than male counterparts in the same job with equal knowledge, education, talent, skills, abilities and tasks-projects, also bravo. Glad to hear it.


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