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Hunting Lease Math
#2680295
12/22/18 11:34 AM
12/22/18 11:34 AM
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Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 2,777 Athens, GA
WildlifeBiologist
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Hunt clubs are a lot like girlfriends. There is the ex-girlfriend you recently broke up with (and it ended badly). There's the one you are dating now. And there's another one you have your eye on in case this one doesn't work out.
I have been managing hunting lands for over 30 years. People often ask me how to startup a hunt club. What I don't know would make a really big book. But what I do know, I'm glad to share. Here are some tips that may be helpful. First, match your budget with reasonable expectations. Price and quality tend to be inversely related. The higher the expectations, the more land will be needed and the more it will cost. If you envision a trophy managed club on 300 acres at $500 apiece for 4 members plus wife & kids, then stop right here. Wait until the alarm goes off...you are dreaming.
First, decide your overall management objective for the lease. Think of management objectives like a sliding scale. The lower region of the scale is akin to brown-it's-down. Unsustainable. The middle region of the scale shows management options for a generally improved deer herd. Sustainable and slightly improving with time. The upper region of the sliding scale shows progressively more intensive QDM options that top out with intense trophy management. The more acreage you control, the better you can meet the objective. My leases typically range 3,000+ acres and average 250+ acres/member. Can you maintain quality hunting on 500 acres? Absolutely. But you are more directly affected by hunting pressure from neighbors. Side note... if you want to improve overall carrying capacity, start by plugging the lowest hole in the bucket first. It may be food, water, shelter or space (acreage). There have been times when the lowest hole in my bucket is a 80-ac Whack & Stack Hunt Club. I will not try to bid or lease it out from under the other club, but I make sure the landowner knows I'm interested and will improve his/her land if they ever decide to lease to someone else.
Strike a balance between affordability and sustainability. In my experience, most hunt clubs accept too many members who bring even more guests and then kill more game than the land can support. It amounts to burning the furniture to stay warm. And guests add to the math. A club that allows 10 dues-paying members plus their immediate family actually has 40+ members. Conversely, higher quality clubs tend to have fewer members, more restrictive guest policies, and tightly regulated bag limits to uphold the management program.
Here is a guide to help evaluate it from a financial, pressure, and sustainability viewpoint.
Let's say you are forming a 1,000-ac QDM club. The land has 10 acres available for food plots. $12,000 rent (1,000 @ $12/ac) $ 3,000 food plots (10 ac @ $300/ac) $ 3,000 stands, feeders, etc. $ 2,000 camp utilities, miscellaneous Total = $20,000 to divide among members
How to structure membership: Option 1: Allow 40 members at $500. Equals 1 per 25 ac. Unsustainable unless this club is mostly a social gathering. It will likely be the lowest hole in the neighbor's bucket. Option 2: Allow 20 members at $1,000. Equals 1 per 50 ac. If most members kill deer every year, this may be unsustainable. Clubs with this high member density tend to have high turnover and poor quality. Option 3: Allow 10 members at $2,000. Equals 1 per 100 ac. In my opinion, this is max member density to balance price and sustainability. Option 4: Allow 5 members at $4,000. Equals 1 member per 200 ac. Recommended when the objective is higher end QDM.
Assumptions: For conversation purposes, let's say... Deer density = 30/square mile (1 per 21 acres) Herd size = roughly 48 deer on your 1,000 acres Doe-to-buck ratio = 3:1. That equates to 36 does and 12 bucks. Of the 12 bucks, safe bet that 9 are 2.5-year-old or younger. That leaves 3 bucks age 3.5+ for members to collectively harvest.
Doing this kind of math puts you in position to make informed decisions about # of members, harvest quota, etc. My advice is to find the land, set your management objective, set max # members to accomplish that objective, set clear and firm rules in place, and then set out to find members wanting what you have.
Last edited by WildlifeBiologist; 12/22/18 12:36 PM.
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Re: Hunting Lease Math
[Re: Southwood7]
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12/22/18 11:49 AM
12/22/18 11:49 AM
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Posts: 25,687 South Alabama
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The MATH heads will be all over this one
Nothing to argue about here. Sound advice.
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Re: Hunting Lease Math
[Re: WildlifeBiologist]
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12/22/18 12:19 PM
12/22/18 12:19 PM
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Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 6,615 Hoover (poor section)
Johnal3
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it froze over
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Hunt clubs are a lot like girlfriends.
You’re exactly right. The less people you have banging in and around her, besides you, the more enjoyable and longer the relationship will last.
This is Aldeer! The place people come to vent their frustrations and completely change their stance a few minutes later...
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Re: Hunting Lease Math
[Re: WildlifeBiologist]
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12/22/18 12:20 PM
12/22/18 12:20 PM
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Good post!
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Re: Hunting Lease Math
[Re: WildlifeBiologist]
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12/22/18 12:37 PM
12/22/18 12:37 PM
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Posts: 23,914 Clarksville, TN /Greenville, ...
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All good info but the biggest issue I've experienced is clubs where the rules are made by the president and agreed on by members but the only people who follow those rules are those who are NOT friends or family of the president.
"Political debate: when charlatans come together to discuss their principles" - Bauvard
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Re: Hunting Lease Math
[Re: jwalker77]
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12/22/18 01:48 PM
12/22/18 01:48 PM
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Posts: 2,777 Athens, GA
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Pretty well sucks which ever way you look at it, dont it? Not at all. It is possible to find well run hunt clubs at relatively reasonable prices. You have to know where to look and what questions to ask. Or you can start your own hunting club and build it like you want it.
Last edited by WildlifeBiologist; 12/22/18 01:52 PM.
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Re: Hunting Lease Math
[Re: WildlifeBiologist]
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12/22/18 01:57 PM
12/22/18 01:57 PM
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Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 30,910 Clanton, AL
Out back
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My advice is to find the land, set your management objective, set max # members to accomplish that objective, set clear and firm rules in place, and then set out to find members wanting what you have.
My advice is, never buy or lease anything you can't afford to cover BY YOURSELF. At some point you will have to do just that. Never ever, never, advertise for members. Invite only friends and family who you trust. Screw a bunch of rules that only suck the fun from hunting. You only need two rules; 1. Have fun 2. Be safe
My opinions and comments are my own. They do not reflect the position or political opinions of Aldeer or any of the Aldeer administration.
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Re: Hunting Lease Math
[Re: WildlifeBiologist]
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12/22/18 02:39 PM
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Posts: 4,166 Florence, Al
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No offense, but I ain’t paying $4000 to hunt anywhere In Alabama.
Matter of fact, I ain’t paying $2000.
For that money I’m going where big deer live.
Your post is spot on though.
Last edited by AlabamaSwamper; 12/22/18 02:40 PM.
BTR Scorer in NW Alabama
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Re: Hunting Lease Math
[Re: WildlifeBiologist]
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12/22/18 02:56 PM
12/22/18 02:56 PM
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Posts: 2,777 Athens, GA
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No offense taken. Your money. Your choice. I cannot justify $60,000 for a new truck but someone else can. One guy spends his hunting budget on a guided trip out of state instead of joining a lease in Bama. Another guy puts that same amount in a nice lease closer to home that can be enjoyed year round. To each his own.
Last edited by WildlifeBiologist; 12/22/18 03:02 PM.
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Re: Hunting Lease Math
[Re: WildlifeBiologist]
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12/22/18 02:56 PM
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Posts: 6,382 D'Iberville, MS
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Hunting clubs can be a great thing if everyone is on the same page but unfortunately that rarely happens. More often than not people start only worrying about what's best for themselves instead of what's best for the club.
In your darkest hour when the demons come, call on me brother and we'll fight them together.
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Re: Hunting Lease Math
[Re: MS_Hunter]
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12/22/18 03:02 PM
12/22/18 03:02 PM
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Posts: 2,777 Athens, GA
WildlifeBiologist
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Hunting clubs can be a great thing if everyone is on the same page... This!
Micah 6:8
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Re: Hunting Lease Math
[Re: WildlifeBiologist]
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12/22/18 03:07 PM
12/22/18 03:07 PM
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Posts: 803 Lower AL
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One guy spends his hunting budget on a guided trip out of state instead of joining a lease in Bama. Another guy puts that same amount in a nice lease closer to home that can be enjoyed year round. To each his own. That’s really what it boils down to on whether to lease or go on guided hunts.
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