They're coming after braces...

https://www.ar15.com/forums/General...s-Restricting-Arm-Brace-Usage/5-2339157/

Link is to another forum..

Rep. Gaetz held a press conference saying he is pushing back against the atf's plan to regulate braces...

More of the ATF making it up as they go. Obama leftovers. Which particular arm brace is the ATF targeting? Unless I missed it in the article, it didn't say.

The general consensus over on ar15 is sba3 from reading through the thread.

It didn't say the specific one. It did say 700k in use.

I'd think either SBA3 or Shockwave

Also, I had not heard of this until today.... Is Gaetz actually providing cover for them?

$5 says it’s the SBA3, too much like a standard collapsible stock in ease of adjustment. I’m just glad SOMEBODY is standing up for gun owner’s rights. Fingers crossed the ATF stays the course and doesn’t change the brace laws.

I’d take it a step further and ask what makes a 12” barrel more dangerous than a 16”

Absophuckinglutelynuffin.

Just exactly how does the ATF or ANYBODY know where all these braces are? I don't take my stuff out in public (have my own range) and unless I have to confront/shoot somebody it will never be known what I have or don't have.

Because you talk about these things online.

And taxes.

Inventory, Sales, Production, etc....

eta: Also Credit Card purchases

I like the one dude that replied we should just take over a city and start making demands.....

Couple months ago.... I would have thought that was a stoopid comment.

I agree
Being they use a standard mil-spec receiver extension, I've always questioned how they were legal.
I didn't think you could put a carbine/rifle receiver extension on a "pistol"

So you can buy a SBA3, a 3" barrel and not have a SBR? I have never had a interest in a AR pistol just curious.

nothing, except maybe to your hearing........................which is why SUPPRESSORS SHOULD BE DEREGULATED

seriously, you should be able to walk into Academy or Walmart and walk down an aisle in the hunting/fishing department and grab a suppressor off the rack in a plastic blister pack and walk to the register and pay and leave. It's asinine that there's anymore to it than that.

I agree. The real stupid thing is... a SBR is illegal.

A 16" marlin lever action in 44mag is legal
A 6" revolver in 44mag is legal

a marlin lever action in 44mag with the barrel cut to 6" is illegal....RIDICULOUS

An UNREGISTERED SBR is illegal. And I hate the registration requirement as much as anybody.

You gotta clarify this, because it reads probably like you don’t want it to (and we know you know a ton about the platform).

The ar direct impingement system has to have a buffer tube, even in pistol configuration. Then along came Sb tactical a few years back and stuck a formed piece of rubber onto the tube that’s always been there, and said it was designed to slip over your forearm to help stabilize the pistol when firing it like a pistol. And people said, hmmm, instead of putting that rubber over my forearm, I can butt it up against my shoulder and it’ll be kinda like a stock even though it wasn’t designed as a shoulder stock or for that purpose. Those pieces of rubber could be moved up and down the buffer tube to adjust length (remember there were ODIN Works locking rings used originally to keep the rubber Sb brace in place from sliding up the tube). The A3 brace is just an evolution that solves the problem of allowing adjustability of the brace for forearm length without having to use a locking ring.

What would you like me to clarify?

I can clarify something.... that my pistol brace already burned up in a flood.

Been having a rash of floods these past 10 years.

Your's too?!?!

They have been caused by climate change.

Mine too! That's been a helluva flood

Just hunters in the United States alone based nationwide license sales makeup the world’s largest army by far...don’t forget it.

You have ALL of the power

Yeah, but that power is worthless....The Corona circus has already proven folks ain't gonna stand up to the gubment
Then you got all the legislating from the bench coming out of the SCOTUS and folks just say "oh, well...I guess that's the way it is"

I assume you didn’t question the versions that didn’t use a mil-spec buffer tube? It doesn’t make sense to take your position in light of the model progression. I was thinking you would clarify your seemingly anti-pistol brace position because frankly I doubted you were anti. Guess I shouldn’t assume!

Yep.

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I assume you didn’t question the versions that didn’t use a mil-spec buffer tube? It doesn’t make sense to take your position in light of the model progression. I was thinking you would clarify your seemingly anti-pistol brace position because frankly I doubted you were anti. Guess I shouldn’t assume![/quote]


You're right about one thing ... you shouldn't assume.
How the hell did you get that from me stating I simply wondered how they were legal?
Asking a question doesn't mean a person is "anti" whatever they are questioning...
No, I didn't question the "non mil spec" tubes...Why would I?

I been telling people that its coming for years just SBR it and be done with it. I wouldn't invest money in any thing based on an ATF opinion they change their mind more than the weather and have for decades.

You're right about one thing ... you shouldn't assume.
How the hell did you get that from me stating I simply wondered how they were legal?
Asking a question doesn't mean a person is "anti" whatever they are questioning...
No, I didn't question the "non mil spec" tubes...Why would I?
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Yeah, was thinking that, too....it looks like he got caught up in it having to have a buffer tube, instead of how the mfg/atf might actually categorizes the part used, which is what I thought you were trying to point out? Using a milspec, carbine extension on a pistol lower, vs using a PISTOL extension.

You're right about one thing ... you shouldn't assume.
How the hell did you get that from me stating I simply wondered how they were legal?
Asking a question doesn't mean a person is "anti" whatever they are questioning...
No, I didn't question the "non mil spec" tubes...Why would I?
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Yeah, was thinking that, too....it looks like he got caught up in it having to have a buffer tube, instead of how the mfg/atf might actually categorizes the part used, which is what I thought you were trying to point out? Using a milspec, carbine extension on a pistol lower, vs using a PISTOL extension. [/quote]

Yeah, I guess I should have said PISTOL extension/tube vs. "non mil spec" since there is a commercial pattern tube available for rifles

All you need to do is carry an M16 (or M4) about a year 24/7, live with it, never find yourself more than arms reach from it, and it'll cure your AR obsession.
I learned to love my lever guns even more.

The day some bastard signs a piece of paper that says I’m a criminal for possession of this then I reckon I’ll just have to live with that guilt. Or....maybe I just don’t give a damn.

Read a story last night that said quite a few congressmen have written letters to the acting director telling her the ATF needs to slow it's roll because the making of new laws doesn't fall into their purview

The problem is the ATF has been emboldened by things like POTUS telling them to make bumpstocks illegal by "reclassifying them as machine guns"...it was a TERRIBLE precedent to set

Yep

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Meh as y'all goobers say.i don't play with toys and prefer the full size version 😁 so bull crap braces don't scratch my itch. maybe ok as a truck gun.but yeah I don't believe the government has any right period in determining what kind of stock I have. even though sounds like y'all have learned to deal with it . it doesn't make it more lethal.i seen a younger guy at gun show walking around with a AR pistol and a old man about 70 that had a table set up asked him is that a real gun?I just laughed

I will trade the SB3 for legalizing suppressors! My old ears are about shot out!!

I'm to the point we shouldn't have to "trade" anything to exercise a constitutionally protected right...
Suppressors should be sold at every sporting goods store in blister packs just like any other accessory.

They are legal.

This. The founding fathers had personal cannon and warships (the most technologically advanced weapons at the time).

AMEN and AMEN! I've been saying both of these things, almost verbatim, for years.

Got a friend selling a 300 BO pistol if anyone is interested. Not sure of specifics.

They sure as heck are a cash cow for the govt and manufacturers with the money you have to spend to get one as it is now..