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AR Dilemma: .300 BO or .223

Posted By: AC870

AR Dilemma: .300 BO or .223 - 03/27/19 11:59 PM


I’m planning to deer hunt some with my AR. I wanted .300 Blackout but “settled” on a .223 Wylde when I couldn’t find the .300 upper I wanted. I may be overthinking this. I know .223 ammo is better than ever. Should I sell the .223 upper and get a .300?
Posted By: BCLC

Re: AR Dilemma: .300 BO or .223 - 03/28/19 12:30 AM

life is too short to only have one or the other, you need both. beers
Posted By: marshmud991

Re: AR Dilemma: .300 BO or .223 - 03/28/19 12:36 AM

Don't over look the 7.62x39. This has quickly become my favorite AR I have. It's a toss up between it and the Grendel.
Posted By: Mdees

Re: AR Dilemma: .300 BO or .223 - 03/28/19 12:55 AM

I don’t understand the question. Why would you sell the 5.56 upper to buy a 300blk, or other upper? If you don’t have another $300 you can’t afford to shoot either one. Seriously, keep the 5.56 for varmints and plinking. Get a 300 upper(16” if you are putting it on a carbine/rifle lower) over the summer as funds allow.
Posted By: Bull64

Re: AR Dilemma: .300 BO or .223 - 03/28/19 01:00 AM

7.62x39...
Posted By: AC870

Re: AR Dilemma: .300 BO or .223 - 03/28/19 01:21 AM

Originally Posted by Mdees
I don’t understand the question. Why would you sell the 5.56 upper to buy a 300blk, or other upper? If you don’t have another $300 you can’t afford to shoot either one. Seriously, keep the 5.56 for varmints and plinking. Get a 300 upper(16” if you are putting it on a carbine/rifle lower) over the summer as funds allow.


Prolly the right answer. Ain’t like I’m hunting next week...
Posted By: doekiller

Re: AR Dilemma: .300 BO or .223 - 03/28/19 01:34 AM

Both
Posted By: GomerPyle

Re: AR Dilemma: .300 BO or .223 - 03/28/19 02:02 AM

Originally Posted by BCLC
life is too short to only have one or the other, you need both. beers


^^^^all that^^^^

And go ahead and get the .300bo with a 9" barrel and suppressor, and slap it on a pistol lower with a "brace" (wink wink)
Posted By: GKelly

Re: AR Dilemma: .300 BO or .223 - 03/28/19 02:05 AM

keep the .223 upper and buy a 300
Posted By: gman

Re: AR Dilemma: .300 BO or .223 - 03/28/19 02:34 AM

That pistol barrel on a 300 aint the greatest for deer (imo). Keep it at 16” and its better. For hunting, can still run the can fine. Imma kill one next year with mine. And maybe my 556...
Posted By: AC870

Re: AR Dilemma: .300 BO or .223 - 03/28/19 03:06 AM


Yeah. I’m not playing pistol. I like 16 & 18 inch barrels.
Posted By: GomerPyle

Re: AR Dilemma: .300 BO or .223 - 03/28/19 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by AC870

Yeah. I’m not playing pistol. I like 16 & 18 inch barrels.


You can certainly build whatever you prefer, but simply in terms of accuracy, a 300bo gets its maximum power burn in 9-10" of barrel. There's no real advantage of a longer barrel than that. So take a 9" barrel and slap a suppressor on it, and your overall length is still in the 16" range, WITH the suppressor. Slap a 12-15" handguard on there and you're ready to rock and roll. The only downside is you are still technically shooting a pistol, so it has to have a pistol lower, with a "brace", but hell now they got "braces" that are 6-position just like a regular stock. That whole thing is a joke.
Posted By: Stob

Re: AR Dilemma: .300 BO or .223 - 03/28/19 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by marshmud991
Don't over look the 7.62x39. This has quickly become my favorite AR I have. It's a toss up between it and the Grendel.


this.
Posted By: Mdees

Re: AR Dilemma: .300 BO or .223 - 03/28/19 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by GomerPyle
Originally Posted by AC870

Yeah. I’m not playing pistol. I like 16 & 18 inch barrels.


You can certainly build whatever you prefer, but simply in terms of accuracy, a 300bo gets its maximum power burn in 9-10" of barrel. There's no real advantage of a longer barrel than that. So take a 9" barrel and slap a suppressor on it, and your overall length is still in the 16" range, WITH the suppressor. Slap a 12-15" handguard on there and you're ready to rock and roll. The only downside is you are still technically shooting a pistol, so it has to have a pistol lower, with a "brace", but hell now they got "braces" that are 6-position just like a regular stock. That whole thing is a joke.


There’s nothing wrong with a pistol length barrel for 300blk. In fact it is preferred by most to wring what “benefits” there are in that particular cartridge out of a weapon. But the idea that barrel length effects accuracy is a myth. It does not. There are 9” barrels that will shoot 3/4” groups and others that will shoot 3” groups with the same ammo. Sight radius may come into play if the user is relying on iron sights but that can be mitigated with a reflexed handguard (assuming you are only running it with a can). Of course that can is going to add another $600 or so and a years wait to your build. It is true that, in general, all of the powder is burned in the first 9-10” but you’ll gain about 25fps velocity per inch of barrel out to about 18” and then 5-10fps out to around 30” if I recall correctly.
If you intend to hunt with subs and a can, a 7-9” pistol is all you’ll ever need. If you plan to use supers most of the time then 9” is also fine but going out to 16” will extend your effective range with premium bullets. The difference between 150 yards and 250 yards is moot if, like many, you are looking at the 300blk for very short range hunting. Until you’ve found yourself with an opportunity at 225 and you just don’t have as much ‘ooomph’ as you need with what you are carrying.
Posted By: goodman_hunter

Re: AR Dilemma: .300 BO or .223 - 03/28/19 01:28 PM

i love my 300b0 with 10.5" barrel. I can ring a 6"steel out to 300 yards. I love my 55.6 for the cheap ammo. So my suggestion is keep the 556 for a main battle rifle that could still be used for hunting. If you want a BO, i would suggest the 10'5 with sba3 brace. It reduces weight and the size makes it easier to handle, to me the supersedes the small gain from longer barrel, considering most of my shots will be 175 yards or less. If i need to shoot deer at a longer range, I would go with a different caliber the bo or 556.
Posted By: doekiller

Re: AR Dilemma: .300 BO or .223 - 03/28/19 01:57 PM

The only problem with the 7.5 inch and 9 inch barrels is you are only going to get one twist and that can affect bullet stability. For short range that isn’t a problem. But, the longer the range, the more it come into affect.
Posted By: gman

Re: AR Dilemma: .300 BO or .223 - 03/28/19 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by doekiller
The only problem with the 7.5 inch and 9 inch barrels is you are only going to get one twist and that can affect bullet stability. For short range that isn’t a problem. But, the longer the range, the more it come into affect.

This is what i was thinking. Friends son shot a doe at less that 50yds with subsonic 300bo pistol and got terrible results even with good accuracy. Was shooting premium ammo too.
Posted By: Mdees

Re: AR Dilemma: .300 BO or .223 - 03/28/19 08:26 PM

Hunting with subs is bow hunting with a firearm.
Posted By: GomerPyle

Re: AR Dilemma: .300 BO or .223 - 03/28/19 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by Mdees
Hunting with subs is bow hunting with a firearm.


With a field tip, no less.
Posted By: Mdees

Re: AR Dilemma: .300 BO or .223 - 03/28/19 10:10 PM

Makers and Lehigh open up like expandable broadheads. They are also close to $3/ea for the bullets alone.
Posted By: AC870

Re: AR Dilemma: .300 BO or .223 - 03/28/19 10:12 PM


I was thinking Blackout for a 100 yd woods gun. I’d shoot Supers and if I’m fretting over a $300 upper, I doubt I’ll be buying a can.
Posted By: furnfeather

Re: AR Dilemma: .300 BO or .223 - 03/28/19 10:59 PM

10.5" 300blk is my 100yrd woods pistol. 125gr pill run 2100fps(still have room to get a little more fps but shoots the best at this load) and 1"groups with a sig romeo 5. 147gr/150 gr m80 run 1800/1900fps for playing with at the range.
Posted By: CatHeadBiscuit

Re: AR Dilemma: .300 BO or .223 - 03/29/19 01:22 AM

Originally Posted by marshmud991
Don't over look the 7.62x39. This has quickly become my favorite AR I have. It's a toss up between it and the Grendel.

Does 7.62 x 39 require special magazines? I am debating between a rifle length 7.62 or a 10.5” in 5.56
Posted By: Mdees

Re: AR Dilemma: .300 BO or .223 - 03/29/19 01:42 AM

Both the 7.62x39 and 6.5 Grendel take proprietary mags and different from each other even though 7.62x39 is the parent case for 6.5 Grendel. x39 mags have had a history of being temperamental in an AR platform. Grendel mags are generally trouble free although I’ve heard a few reports of issues with fully loaded 25rd mags(22-23rds in them no problems).
Posted By: marshmud991

Re: AR Dilemma: .300 BO or .223 - 03/29/19 04:02 AM

Originally Posted by CatHeadBiscuit
Originally Posted by marshmud991
Don't over look the 7.62x39. This has quickly become my favorite AR I have. It's a toss up between it and the Grendel.

Does 7.62 x 39 require special magazines? I am debating between a rifle length 7.62 or a 10.5” in 5.56

I got the 10rd C- products mags for mine and my buddy's. I had an issue with one mag that wouldn't feed right. All the others feed perfect. The one mag would release the 5th and 6th round at the same time. Did the same when I tried it in the Grendel. I chunked that in the junk drawer.
Posted By: AC870

Re: AR Dilemma: .300 BO or .223 - 03/29/19 04:58 PM

Well regular bolt carrier group work with 7.62?
Posted By: BCLC

Re: AR Dilemma: .300 BO or .223 - 03/29/19 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by AC870
Well regular bolt carrier group work with 7.62?


The bolt carrier itself will work but you will need a 7.62x39 bolt and an extended firing pin
Posted By: AC870

Re: AR Dilemma: .300 BO or .223 - 03/29/19 07:27 PM


I think that’s the beauty of .300 BO. No modifications required.
Posted By: marshmud991

Re: AR Dilemma: .300 BO or .223 - 03/29/19 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by AC870

I think that’s the beauty of .300 BO. No modifications required.

This is very true. You could also just do a barrel swap. Bear Creek Arsensl has good barrels for a very good price. Changing a barrel is very simple.
Posted By: marshmud991

Re: AR Dilemma: .300 BO or .223 - 04/02/19 12:55 AM

Well AC!! Don't leave us hanging. What did you decide?
Posted By: James

Re: AR Dilemma: .300 BO or .223 - 04/02/19 01:08 AM

Originally Posted by marshmud991
Well AC!! Don't leave us hanging. What did you decide?


Think he done purchased a 300, but he's already sold it 😆
Posted By: marshmud991

Re: AR Dilemma: .300 BO or .223 - 04/02/19 02:10 AM

Originally Posted by James
Originally Posted by marshmud991
Well AC!! Don't leave us hanging. What did you decide?


Think he done purchased a 300, but he's already sold it 😆

rofl
Posted By: AC870

Re: AR Dilemma: .300 BO or .223 - 04/02/19 02:33 AM


I hadn’t purchased it yet, but I’m keeping the .223 and going to buy a .300 Blackout Upper when I get some scratch together.
The new dilemma is whether I hang onto the Browning A-Bolt .270. It’s got the finest trigger of any rifle I’ve ever owned. But I’ve shot 7-08, .308, .243 and 6.5 for the last 10 years or so. I’ve become recoil averse. I know you don’t feel it shooting at game but I like to enjoy shooting my guns.
If anyone had a short action A-Bolt they’d like to trade for this.270, I’d entertain it. Mine is a well worn composite stalker.
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