Bergara HMR

I know that ValleyDawg and several others have the HMR, I asked ValleyDawg about his and he loves it.
For the others that own a HMR, is it as good as I am reading?
I'm particularly wanting the 6.5Creedmoor variant.

Thanks in advance.

I love mine. Mine is a 6.5 as well

Have you used yours range shooting, hunting or both so far?

Friend of mine bought one and I got to play with it a couple weeks back. Super sweet rifle. If I was in the market for a new gun I would go that route. Silky smooth action and crazy accurate. It's like a mass produced custom gun.

Only shot targets out to 600 with it so far but it's scary accurate for a factory rifle. The B14 Bergara Hunter I had in 6.5 was very accurate as well.

Thanks for the feedback.
They released a HMR Pro at SHOT show this year.
I probably can't justify the price difference but there is value in the upgrades.
Triggertech trigger, cerakoted stainless metal are the two big ones.

What's your definition of crazy accurate?

Luvbowhunting
Can you give some actual group sizes? Even scary accurate is subjective.

Anything sub-moa is scary accurate to me with me being the guy behind the rifle.

Sub MOA from a $950 rifle with bottom metal and nice features will meet and exceed my expectations.

I have one in 6.5cm. This gun will exceed your expectations. All I've shot is factory ammo so far. It is sub-moa. Mine likes the 120 eld match the best, so far. I've gotten a .764 5 shot group from it. I'm interested to see what I can get from it once I start loading for it

I don't know. I can get some pretty high expectations. Most factory rifles today will shoot sub MOA. It seems the new standard to be reached is sub 1/2 MOA which is being achieved with some higher end semi custom guns.

Semi customs are in $1500-2000 range?

The Ruger predator is a really great gun but the stocks are blah.

Yes, just depending on what you want maybe just shy of $3K.

If you are talking heavier Chassis guns like the Ruger,I'm not sure about the stock as I haven't researched it as much but I hear the newest generation is much better. There is also the Tikka Tac A1 for $1500 and Patriot valley arms will soon be offering what should be a truly phenomenal precision rifle at $2K. They pulled out all the stops to put everything into the rifle that they could and meet a price point that would still qualify for production class. They went so far as to opt to put an extra hand lapping step into the barrel and omit sending it with a magazine.
http://patriotvalleyarms.com/john-hancock-bolt-action/


That's all beside the point I was trying to make though. I've been researching this on Snipershide for a while and it seems that the 24" CTR has been producing more 1/2 MOA groups than not. It's always a bit of a crap shoot with any production gun but the odds have been good with 1/2 MOA CTR's.

It came down to the CTR and Bergarra for me. I couldn't find the CTR I wanted and the Bergarra takes Pmags. I'm VERY HAPPY with my decision.


Also gives me a reason to get a stainless CTR in 260!!!!

I'm not dropping semi-custom money, so that is out.
I'm wanting a jack of all trades gun, I understand that you have sacrifices when you want a do everything setup but that is what I am wanting.
In the car world, it is a car that I can take to the track and have fun with and drive to work during the week.

I'll need to look into the the Tikka CTRs. My first hunting rifle is a Tikka in 7MM08 and I've been pleased with it.
I know if I didn't like the HMR or CTR it would be very easy to sell them in 6.5 with it being so popular.

You can get sub moa with most factory ammo and sub 1/2 moa with good quality match ammo or handloads. And that is in a 5 shot group. Most of these guns claiming sub .5moa are shooting 3 shot groups. I don't put too much count in 3 shot groups, I like to see nice tight 5 or more shots. Seems like it tells a little more about the rifle.

Also, you probably already know this but the bergara , even though it is in a regular stock, is actually a chassis rifle. It sits in a mini chassis. Pretty neat concept when you see an exploded view of it.

Ya stock is really neat especially at the price point.
I like trying new brands. Bought a Howa a while back and have been pleased with it for the money.

Went into Sportsmans warehouse and put my paws on the CTR.
The rifle seems really nice but the stock seems lacking.

I wouldn't doubt that the HMR stock is more rigid. The rifle is about 2 lbs heavier than the Tikka CTR. The CTR seems to be accurate though despite the less rigid stock.

Well I've been looking for the HMR in 6.5 and it looks MOST vendors are sold out.

Shoals Outdoors has one. Also Field and Stream stores seem to keep them in stock as well.

Here is a gun finder. I had it set for the Tikka CTR but you can plug in any gun you want and it will find the best prices. Don't know why the link didn't work. Might have to copy and paste it.

https://gun.deals/search/apachesolr_search/Tikka%2Bctr

Sorry to derail the thread, but field & stream is owned by Dick's. I'll never go in their stores again.

And - Every Kimber 84M Hunter I have fired (total of 4 now in 3 different calibers) has fired sub-MOA groups. Smallest was less than 1/2"

I will add that these were 3 round groups, as this is a hunting rifle, not a heavy barrel target rifle. If you fired slowly, I'm sure they would still group well.

Try to shoot one in a PRS match and you will know why the HMR would be better. Just different tools for different jobs.

One just popped up on armslist. I think down towards Dothan.

Only recent postings I am seeing is one in Huntsville that he is wanting more than I will pay for a used rifle, $950 is pretty much new pricing.
My Sako buy/trade listing.
Your 308 out of Bham.

NEVER SHOP AT DICKS OR FIELD AND STREAM. THEY WANT TO DESTROY THE 2ND AMENDMENT.

The Huntsville one is the one I saw. He has it listed at 950 but he might come down. Just have to ask.

He's going to need to drop $100-150ish which isn't likely as he's got a hot rifle with supply and demand on his side. I'll just let that one ride.
I don't desperately need an HMR, need to get the Sako sold and then focus on buying unless I found an absolute no brainer of a deal.

I pm'd you a link to somewhere that has them in stock for $895.

I really appreciate that.
Ordered one a couple days ago from Kygunco for $887 shipped if I'm remembering correctly, they're backordered 1-3 months which isn't great but fine because my scope won't ship until around August.
Self induced patience lesson

Trying to gather the pieces(base, rings, maybe a brake?)together so come August I just piece it together

badger ordinance makes good bases. I have them on all my guns

Ideally with time being on my side I would like to find a good deal on a used on.
I'll have to check out Badgers offerings.

I've been reading something about the feed ramp design won't allow you to reach the lands in these HMR's. I also read that they fixed the issue on the new pro or elite model or whatever the new upgraded model is that's going for about $500 more.

Can anyone elaborate on this issue and perhaps shed some light on it. I'm not 100% sure exactly what the issue is and why or how the feed ramp won't allow you to reach the lands.

Guess they long shot their backorder times, just received an email saying it's shipping, should have it this time next week I'm thinking.

Ordered a Talley 20MOA base. Rem 700 pic bases range from $10 for the UTG airsoft special to seemingly $110 for the super deluxe sniper wonder base.
The Talley from what I found is the cheapest 7075 aluminum base available on the market, paid $49 for mine.

For heavy recoiling guns I could see why an integral recoil lug would be good to keep the stress off the screws but a 6.5 is very minimal recoil.

Here we go again....

So are you saying just don't ask what crazy accurate actually means?

You can ask, but you already answered your own question in your post above. Accuracy is subjective. No one has to "justify", to use a previous quote from you, just what their definition of accuracy is, to you. Benchrest accuracy, hunting accuracy or hit a paper plate at 100 yards accuracy - they're all subjective to the person behind the gun.

Here we go again....
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So are you saying just don't ask what crazy accurate actually means?[/quote]

You can ask, but you already answered your own question in your post above. Accuracy is subjective. No one has to "justify", to use a previous quote from you, just what their definition of accuracy is, to you. Benchrest accuracy, hunting accuracy or hit a paper plate at 100 yards accuracy - they're all subjective to the person behind the gun.
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I'm not asking anybody to justify what he considers crazy accuracy. I just want to know if his definition matches mine so I know how well the gun actually shoots,because I may be interested in one myself. I just asked for an actual quantifiable number to know how the gun shoots.

That's all. No reason to act like I'm criticizing him or saying what he considers accurate isn't the same as what I consider accurate. I have no way to know without an actual measurable size. No worries though.I thought it was a simple question before I was rudely attacked for asking.

So are you saying just don't ask what crazy accurate actually means?[/quote]

You can ask, but you already answered your own question in your post above. Accuracy is subjective. No one has to "justify", to use a previous quote from you, just what their definition of accuracy is, to you. Benchrest accuracy, hunting accuracy or hit a paper plate at 100 yards accuracy - they're all subjective to the person behind the gun.
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I'm not asking anybody to justify what he considers crazy accuracy. I just want to know if his definition matches mine so I know how well the gun actually shoots,because I may be interested in one myself. I just asked for an actual quantifiable number to know how the gun shoots.

That's all. No reason to act like I'm criticizing him or saying what he considers accurate isn't the same as what I consider accurate. I have no way to know without an actual measurable size. No worries though.I thought it was a simple question before I was rudely attacked for asking.[/quote]
Rudely attacked?? You sure get butt-hurt easily.

I'm not asking anybody to justify what he considers crazy accuracy. I just want to know if his definition matches mine so I know how well the gun actually shoots,because I may be interested in one myself. I just asked for an actual quantifiable number to know how the gun shoots.

That's all. No reason to act like I'm criticizing him or saying what he considers accurate isn't the same as what I consider accurate. I have no way to know without an actual measurable size. No worries though.I thought it was a simple question before I was rudely attacked for asking.[/quote]
Rudely attacked?? You sure get butt-hurt easily. [/quote]





That's possible. Did I overact to you expressing "here we go again" to a question I didn't see anything wrong with? If so why the hostility or disdain or whatever to my simple question?

Welcome back RH Clark. Your expertise is very much valued on these subjects

I hope others enjoy your sarcasm.

We do enjoy it.

That's good. Maybe somebody is getting something from the thread. It's obvious you boys don't want to talk like adults.

RH, chill dude. Chill.

Rifle arrived today. So far it seems like the fit and finish is really nice.
Put some grease on the races and contact points of the bolt and it slicked in nicely.

FYI, Bergara recommends a break-in procedure.

Not saying a rifle does or does not need a break-in procedure, just saying they recommend one

I have come to the conclusion that a break in procedure helps a rifle foul less, be easier to clean, and make you sleep better about spending the money you just spent on a rifle.

The scope won't be here until August it sounds like

What scope?

It's part of a like a group buy/close out. The scope is half off what is listed.
https://www.gaprecision.net/ga-store/optics/optics-bushnell-lrhs-4-5-18x44-g2h.html

You putting a rail on it?

If you know of a good range close for both of us,you can try out my Bushnell LRHS 3-12. I got rings too if you go picatinny. I had to decide between it and the 4.5-18 when I got mine. Just if you ever thought you might like the smaller scope.

I've got a Talley 20MOA inbound.
From what I found, they're the cheapest 7075 aluminum rail on the market.

I don't know much about if there's any difference,a long as you buy good metal from a reputable manufacturer,and I am sure Talley is.

I discussed this with Gundoc about 6061 VS 7075 VS Steel.
Like most thing it seems like for me, I went with a middle of the road route, thought 6061 might be a bit soft and steel as overkill on a 6.5Creedmoor.

I did some reading after we talked. To put in in perspective 6061-T6 which is commonly used in the gun industry has a minimum yield strength of at least 35, 000 PSI.

7075-T6 is at least 63,000 PSI.

6061-0 which is annealed has a minimum yield of 8,000 PSI which is still plenty for a scope base/rail.

Interesting how much the strength varies in the two alloys of 6061 with T6 having 4X the stength.

Man that's a nice looking rig

A lot of nice features for sub $925 out the door. I sure hope it I like it and it shoots good.

The 6.5 creedmore has been giving me the itch for quite some time now and this gun is sharp. I may have to save my pennies or sell something. I have been wanting a 6.5 caliber.

6.5Creedmoor is here to stay, even late to the party Remington is producing rifles and ammo(meaning they've given up on 260)
Went into Wal-Mart in Ft Payne which is a population of 15K and bought match ammo.