45-70 vs 30-30

I'm in the market for a bonafide woods gun. I'm talking shots within 100 yds and bow hunting type setups. I really want a lever gun with fix low power scope scenario. These two calibers are about as common as I can get in a lever gun as far as ammo availability. Stopping power and blood trails are important to me. Which caliber would you choose?

45/70 no comparison at 100 yrds. I have killed 26 with my H&R 45/70 and only one ran 20yrds other 25 never took a step. Some people complain about recoil but doesn't kick bad to me ,and my niece who is 17 and weighs 100 Lbs killed her first 2 deer with it. The one that ran was actually shot at 165 yrds, Its an awesome round

If not recoil sensitive I would choose the 45-70 just because it is something different. It will stomp a deer.

You can get a BLR in common calibers.

35 Remington.
Kittery trading post has 2 right now. Cheapest is $400.

And that BLR comes in .450 marlin .358win&.325wsm.

I shoot a 45-70, no recoil when you're shooting a deer. Never lost a deer - they tend to drop where they're standing. All close shots like you described.

Sighting that thing in can leave a mark, though.

45-70 been using one for over 20 yrs.

35 Remington is really hard to beat. Hard to kill one "deader". 30-30 works fine. You might could find a short one 18" barrel, which is a handy little devil. 35 Remington, in my experience,... better than 30-30 and not as overkill as 45-70. Good round. 45-70 in something like a Guide Gun = Show Stopper at those ranges.

Best misunderstood and labeled "woods" round ever = .356 or.358 Winchester. Hands down. Bought the same up close but just not as limited with it as you can comfortably shoot a bit further.

Never owned a 30-30 but I do own a 45-70 and it flats kills the hell out of deer. Devastating round. Only had 1 deer run and I hit it bad, every other DRT.

To answer your question - 45-70 = stopping power.

There's a Savage 99 for sale on 24hourcampfire that's been converted to 358 Win. for $700. You're welcome!

Can't go wrong with either one for a brush gun. Both are great. It really just depends how much you want to pay for ammo. 45-70 is more expensive to feed but it is a hammer on deer. 3030 is a great brush too d too and is cheap to buy.

I believe I'm going to go with the 45-70. What ammo would y'all recommend?

Buffalo bore,Grizzly cartridge or Corbon

my son loves the hornady leverevolution in his nef .45-70 ...

300gr of course I prefer solid not hollow points. Preferred the Winchester but bought fusion last time. They are just as good

every body knows that there has been more deer killed with 30-30 than any other caliber !!!

In my .45-70 Handi-rifle, I also use the Hornady Leverevolution 325 grain FTX. Three holes touching at 100 yards and it does a great job on deer.
http://www.hornady.com/store/45-70-government-325-gr-ftx-leverevolution/

No one has said it yet and that prolly because it wasn't in the title but I would take a good look at the 444 as well.

Winchester 300gr hollow points do the trick. If you handload there are lots of other options. I use hardcast coated bullets in my handloads and they do some damage.

30-30, 35 Rem, 45-70. Have all three. Never killed one with 30-30. Never seen one hit so hard as I have with 35 Rem and 45-70. 30-30 and 35 will be lighter recoil with factory. If you reload you can get about the same recoil from a 45-70. I am pushing 405 grn bullet 1325 fps and it is stomper. And recoil is very manageable.

What about a Savage 300? It's a lever action and excellent close range gun.

Do you mean a Savage 99 in 300 savage caliber? I've never heard of a model 300 Savage,but that doesn't mean much.

I would love to have that 358 Win Savage 99 listed for $700 at 24hourcampfire.

I remember reading about the 300 Savage years ago. The author said "never underestimate a gent with a 300 Savage. He provably knows something you don't."

Yes, I have a Savage Model 99 in 300 Savage caliber. Keep in mind it was a real popular deer rifle before the 308 Win came around. Great gun regardless.

Absolutely! I still want one in 358 Win.

Marlin 1895G guide gun. Its my go to gun for thick stuff and hardwood bottoms.

just fyi, Henry is coming out with a line of single shots this spring or summer.
one will be the 45/70. i do plan on getting one.

And it takes more to turn a 45-70 than a 30-30 or .35
45-70 is superior in thick stuff

You ever shoot the 45/7o you wont look back.

I've owned a 45/70 guide gun, a model 94 30-30 and a 35 Remington. I be shot a .444 a few times. I'd go with the 35 Remington personally. But there is something cool about shooting a 45/70!! I miss mine and wish I never would have sold it!

A 30/30 is one of the best deer guns in the world. I know mine has taken more deer than I can remember. But I'm a big fan of the 45-70 too. Both are good brush guns. Ammo is much cheaper for the 30/30 but other than that, its a toss up. Either one is just as good a killer as the other.

I have killed a lot of deer with my 30-30 Marlin. Killed a coyote at 205 steps one time. 45-70 harder on ears.

Just don't get ported barrels

One of my favorite guns to shoot was a 4570 that I ported. It now belongs to 300ruger. Last i heard he loves it too. I really couldn't tell a difference in noise level out in the open. The porting really keeps the barrel down and flat for follow up shots or multiple shots (pig hunting) if done right.