Sunflower vs grain sorghum

Trying to give the peas some cover…anyone have experience with either?

Go with grain sorghum if you have many deer. They will destroy every single sunflower head before maturity. In my experience deer and other critters won’t touch milo until it’s mature.

I would mix them both and substitute sorghum for milo. Sorghum and milo maybe the same but I don't think it is

I’ve used both with peas. Deer will eat every sunflower if you have a modest density.

It's the same

They do like sunflowers.

Have any of you ever used milgoranite?

Worked for about a week...

You could mix Okra and/or Sunn Hemp with the sunflowers/peas for structure and still use Clethodim for grass control.

I use sorghum and it helps but last summer they still hammered the peas before they matured. I’m probably just planting chufas everywhere this year

What everybody else said about sunflowers. Even with moderate deer density they will wipe out the sunflowers before the establish. I quit tying to plant them.

Plant sunn hemp. The deer will eat it readily, which will take pressure off your peas/beans. Its a great nitrogen fixer, and creates a ton of biomass. The peas can use it to run on. It grows an inch a day and has a deep root system. It's high in protein too. My deer wear it out, but can't over browse it.

I already have my 50 pound bag of it, last year, I waited later to try and order it, and wasn't able to find it for what I was willing to pay.

I have also found that if I plant buckwheat, that gives the peas cover. Deer do eat it, and it does fix nitrogren. It's typically done after about 45 days, at which point it wilts and creates biomass.

Buckwheat adds phosphorus and will go to seed and resprout. I have triple cropped before when it was planted by itself. Wait till it seeds out, cut it the seeds will resprout and so on. I'm planting a mix of peas, sunn hemp, milo, buckwheat, and maybe a few others.

Worked about 2 weeks for me but only had 1 moderate rain.

Thanks you guys for your help!!

If you are close to Dothan, AL area there is a guy over that way that has mix called Summer Browz. It has a forage milo, buck wheat, lab-lab and a forage pea. I planted 4 or so acres of it last year. It did really well and overall was pleased with the results. The only thing I did not like was not being able to use a herbicide to control weeds with this mix.

What would you plant with soybeans lockjaw

Another positive about sun hemp it’s a legume so both grass and broadleaf herbicide can be used.

Any secrets to keep hogs off of it?

Where did you purchase Squeaky?

What can be planted to grow 5-8 ft tall. Stand til jan I’m need a screen crop. I’d be great if it would back every year. Not wanting trees or canes.

Dog fennel

Teosinate is what you r looking for screen. Tall thick and comes back. DGambler I buy from Dave with the Summer Brows and can message you info if u want.

Sounds like Dave Klein mix...

I think you need to use buckwheat, and then add some clay peas and perhaps sunn hemp. If your deer like sunn hemp, they will wear it out, and it takes pressure off the beans/peas and allows them to grow. The buckwheat will sprout fast, and give cover to keep the deer off the beans/ peas until they get past the 2 leaf stage.

The only soybean I was ever able to plant that the deer didn't just kill were eagle soybeans. But they cost $110/bag. The soybeans I normally plant are Hinson (?) , about $35/bag. I generally mix those in a 3 to 2 ratio with clay peas. Clay peas also seem to keep the deer off soybeans for me. I don't know why, but mine don't seem to key on a clay pea when it sprouts like they do a soybean.

Sunn hemp is now the backbone of what I plant when I do beans/peas. If you want to use some, I would order it now, I had a hard time last year once it got into April/May getting my hands on some.

I don't really worry about weeds when I plant this sort of forage. If you plant it right, it will be so thick, most weeds will get shaded out. I just come back in the fall and broadcast my cereals, brassicas and fertilizer into the standing beans, and let rain take care of the rest.

I still love clover, but with the really bad cold we had, I may be starting over with clover on some of my plots this spring. I generally only want to plant clover in the fall, so it has time to get a root system established by spring.

Thank for the info buddy.

RR beans and corn. A mix of conventional and forage beans.

That's big money. If you have it then go for it. If you want a forage bean, add lab lab.

I want to be on a rotation where the spring crop puts in the ground what the fall crop needs. And the fall crop puts in what the spring crop needs. Hopefully getting away from needing to buy fertilizer twice a year. Urea was half my foot plot expense last fall.

Sounds good, please do.

BradB pm to ya would like seed info.

Blum... you got a ratio of what seeds you use per acre?

That sounds like a good mix and I have 2 spots each about 2 acres that need some help. Poor soil and pH of around 7.5-8.

Summer Release by GreenCover?

I am going to do you all a solid. You don't need to spend big $ to get a "summer release" blend. This place is in Trussville over by the horse track.

OH WOW. May hit them up soon!!

I ordered 10 bags of house salad. I have a 50 pound bag of sunn hemp and Sorghum already. Since I have good stands of clover, these are just going to supplement on some of my fields.

Those are not that cheap those are 20-25 lb bags. If you are looking to save money mix your own

Green cover summer release is $71 for a 24 lb bag. So by comparison, these are a bargain. Just buy some legume innoculent off amazon and go. One you do innoculent, I don't think you have to keep doing it, you just want to get the beneficial bacteria in your soil.

By the look of the price per pound, mixing your own doesn’t save you any money! They are doing the labor for you!

Yes, these are 20lb bags, but the seed averages $1.00 per pound pre mixed, so the cost is the same.

The accountant tried to mix his seed last fall and couldn't make it work. ;-)