Non GMO forage bean experiment

I decided to go with non round up ready beans this year mainly because I have some round up resistant weeds and to see if I could save a dime or two. So far it is going better than I thought on both objectives. I started with a gly+prowl burn down about a week before I no till drilled the beans. It did well except for a wet spot here and there in one field prowl and wet ground don't mix. If I had it to do again I wouldn't go with a pre emergent with the gly burn down. I would save that money and go over the top with generic select and generic flexstar or cobra if needed. Also I would wait a little longer for the burn down to completely kill before planting I have a little insect problem in an acre or so my fault I new better. I have about 30 acres planted with about 30 more to plant next week. All of the first 30 are Tyrone soybean's but I can only get about 15 more bags so I may mix in some Derry,Laredo,and old stonewall's in one big field to fill the gap. I planted eagle beans for years so far the Tyrone's have a similar growth rate but it a over yet. Looks like I'll come in around $65 an acre seed/herbicide on the first 30 witch is about $35 less then eagle beans but like I said the jury is still out. I am also using a cheap homemade plot saver my little secret and yes it's high deer density it's Fitzpatrick and China Grove. If you can grow a go stand and leave the beans staying with and good seed yield over the winter in my opinion nothing will do more for a deer. Also I try to plant as early as I possibly can it cuts down on browse making them earlier to establish. Pics coming

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looking good!!

Wow 60 acres of beans is a LOT of beans. What kind of no till planter are you using? I have been broadcasting my piddly little 5 acres of beans but would really like a drill or planter sometime in the future.

I have a tye 2007 pasture pleaser. It's a been pretty good old drill I had to do some work on it this year. Replacing coulter's and double disk but not bad for 15 years worth of me beating on it.

Is this all for deer. Brad is right 60 acres is a lot!

Yes it's a bunch and yes it's for deer/wildlife but it's spread over 2000 acres. I enjoy farming for wildlife a lot more then hunting. As a matter of fact I may not even kill a deer this year.

What's your weed control program?

The field in the picture was a wheat/oats/clover in mid March I sprayed it with gly and prowl. I no till drilled the beans the first week of April. I came back over the top on maybe an acre with generic select last week the rest of the field is clean. I have one 5 acre field that was a little more problematic then the others and was planted later. I had to spray flexstar and select on it and it smoked the weeds but did burn the beans a little but the came out of it in about a week. From now on I play to just spray gly with no pre emergent and come back and spray select and flexstar as needed. If I do use a pre it will be dual magnum. I use generics also and to been honest it's about the same price as gly acre to acre especially if you have to spray gly multiple times. 10oz an acre of generic select will kill the tar out of any grass including RR corn. So one 2 1/2 bottle of select will spray 32 acres.1 pint an acre of flexstar will kill everything else broadleaf wise and has residual properties but don't spray it late if you want to over seed small grain in the fall or plant corn early next year. 1 bottle of flexstar covers 20 acres. You have a lot of herbicide options I picked this combo because it was cheap. If you plow the ground and broadcast I would spray generic dual magnum pre and you want have any grass if you get a good stand in a couple months and same thing with prowl. Dual just seems to last longer but prowl is good with no till situations because you just need rain to incorporate it into the soil. You can also you prowl on just about any thing including sunn hemp.

I just planted about 8 acres at the house of a sunn hemp,top gun soybean,laredo,ICP mix. I just plowed and sprayed prowl broadcasted and draged. No fertilizer added at planting I'm experimenting

I wish someone would move this to the QDM section

Moved it for you DAX

What RR resistant weeds did you have? Looks good so far but once palmer breaks through your program may have some holes in it.

Oh and by the way I'm experimenting with 20 acres of RR/Xtend group 7's this year. Solves all resistant weed issues and is cheaper than one might think.

Thanks

Morning glory, hemp sesbania and a couple more. It's my fault for the most part I've planted round up ready corn or beans 10 years in a row in most of my fields. I had weed issues the last couple of years for several reasons but the drought and planting late last year was a real mess. I probably sprayed a gallon of round up an acre and it didn't&#8203; even make most of it yellow up mostly because of drought conditions. I need the forage beans for the explosive growth early and mid in most fields. I do have a 25 acre field I'm planting that I'm trying the same beans in the middle of the field that a dealer wants me to try. I'm always open for suggestions but remember that I'm in an area that has a lot of deer and I mean a lot. It's nothing for me to see 20+ mature bucks in the beans in late summer just before dark in the big field. One more thing I want plant a bean unless it has a shatter resistant shell my deer wipe them out in February and early March so I need them to hold during the winter. I am certain that is one of the biggest reason that I have the caliber deer that I do.

Isn't palmer one of the worst gly resistant weeds.

Yes

Any of them are bad.

I don't have experience with Prowl but have had good results with dual magnum. If there is grass in ththe field dual does a great job. I haven't tried dual with sunn hemp but I know it isn't labeled for it specifically. Might have to give prowl a try next year. I also use generics so it might just come down to cost.

Now that I see prowl is labeled for sorghum I think I will try to use it instead of dual. Sorghum has been the holdup for me in summer plots where sorghum is in my mix because I can't spray dual in those fields. There is a hugely noticeable grass competition in the fields with no preemergent vs the ones sprayed with dual.

Prowl is probably the best pre emergent for seed mixes no doubt. I used stealth from Loveland products it was 80 bucks. Dual is a better but like I said it needs to be incorporated to do well and prowl doesn't. So prowl would be the choice for one pass burn down for no till situations. If I was disking and broad casting beans and peas I would use dual a mix with sunn hemp, sorghum, and so on prowl. I'm am not a chemical professional by no means I just have a lot of trial and error experience. Prowl is also a great pre for chufas.

Don't plant on wet ground with Prowl applied let it dry

Has any one had success spraying dual magnum with out incorporating? If it ever stops raining I plan on spraying my burn down on my big field it's 25 acres of prairie gumbo and chalk gumbo. I had a lot of issues in this field with morning glory, hemp sesbania, Johnson grass and so on. I am open to any suggestions for control in non GMO beans. The field looks good now it's mostly clovers and non problematic weeds with last year's hemp sesbania stalks standing 10 foot tall. I was just going to spray gly let it die and drill and then fight the problems.

I burned down with gly just over two weeks before planting. In the spray with gly I mixed dual. I did not incorporate and drilled into the burned residue. I *can* see where the dual is working. The other side of the same field I left out dual and the grassy weeds are smoking my mix of peas, sorghum, sunn hemp, buckwheat & sunflower (petcher seeds "wildlife mix"). This is in Georgiana, with a mostly fine soil but not sandy. Fine gray soil. The area sprayed with dual has corn, peas, Tyrone soybeans, and sunflowers and they all seem to be doing well at two weeks post-planting.

So I guess that's a success?

At home in my garden dual does not work well, which I attribute to very sandy soil and not a lot of organic residue.

My only beef with prowl which I will have to adjust for if I use it, is that I will need to have my corn in the ground first in fields where my plot mix has corn.

Good info thanks. That's another thing dual is more suitable for fine soil then prowl but prowl does good in Sandy soil with lower rates. You have to pour the coal to fine soil with prowl but 1.33 pints of dual no matter the soil. If I planted corn and beans together they would have to be round up ready or the weeds would get me due to lack of herbicide options. I have stopped planting corn due to my neighbors cows I think they can smell it or something. I had the best corn crop ever a few years back ears as big as your forearm on about 40 acres and about 60 cows got into it in September and eat it to the ground. It's was about as mad as I've ever been especially when the jackass blamed me for planting corn on my place.

I was thinking about mixing Matador with my gly at burn down anyone ever used this? It's has dual and a broad leaf pre/residual and something else that helps with burn down.

It's always a race to canopy for me once they do I turn the deer lose most of the time they are already browsing anyhow. I have big fields so I have come up with cheap ways to keep the deer out for a month or so witch is normally enough time for good establishment. Those that have smaller fields have it tuff like around my house. I can grow a small 3 acre bean field but I have to sacrifice that much or more and fence the beans I want to make to pull it off. To be honest it's stupid around my house way to many deer and I've gave up for the most part as far as management. I just don't have time to kill the number of does I need to anymore and it's only 400 acres hell I hardly hunt anymore period. Now fitzpatrick is a different story it's just right density wise and the size deer vs my house is amazing being that it's only 7 miles as a crow flies from my front porch. Don't get me wrong I have and have killed several 140/150 class deer in chinagrove but I had to work extremely hard do pull that off. If I never planted another bean or food plot I could do that every year in Fitzpatrick so it get most of my attention. If it wasn't for turkeys and the fact I live there I would possibly lease my place in chinagrove to the right guy.

Authority MTZ is a fine product to add with metalochlor to aid in pre activity

I blood track for a guy in Chinagrove that runs an outfitter business. He’s got several properties he runs hunters on but one them is a 900 acre tract along Panther Creek just to the south of Chinagrove. It looks like there’s plenty of deer around there for sure.

Well if you need some thinned out let me know. I like helping fellow hunters in need out.

I tried to let folks shoot does but the next thing I knew the does started to grow horns. CNC I bet those knuckle heads keep you busy.

257 I'm going to check in to MTZ I've heard of it but haven't done any research and I'm trying to keep cost down. I also would like to to do a one pass burn down and pre mix for no till. It's hard because I have so many different fields with different soils and weeds variations.

You can buy generic metribuzin and make a very good mixture with it plus dual. That's the mtz part of authority mtz. Also sulfentrazone products work well. Don't overlook valor sx for burndown plus a pre

Thanks

DAX

Quick question ! Have you ever used Grain Elevator Soybeans that are sold by the ton ? I found a source in Louisiana along the MS. River that sells them by the ton. You think those would germinate with the right soil and planting environments?

They germinate in the field after harvest, so, yeah.

Elevator run beans would violate replant policies but if you did you're taking chance of many different maturities mixed and possible mixed traits.

That seems like a lot of trouble to go through to get 60 acres worth of beans to plant. Like I said in most of my fields only forage beans would survive the deer so that would also be a problem. I have found from years of experience that cultivator beans are not what I want to plant. The number one reason is the hull will shatter during the winter on most of them if you are lucky enough to make beans anyhow. The forage varieties I plant have a shatter resistant shells that is very important as I have found my deer clean them out starting in February. That is the game changer and what makes beans a cut above for growing deer. If done right and planted early beans will give you 2 forage seasons that nothing else you can plant can complete with. I sacrifice fall attraction for maximum growth&#8203; and yield. One more thing a farmer planting beans and harvesting them in fall is no comparison to what I'm talking about because the dry bean is just as important as the green leaf.

I was a dealer for eagle seed for years and still love those beans they are the best. I just got fed up up with messing with them and I never made any money just enough to plant a pallet every year. Even at dealer cost they are about 60 a bag plus shipping but if I didn't have the equipment I have they would still be the best option. That being said I just wanted to change things up this year and give Tyrone and Derry beans a try and see if I could cut cost and plant a few more acres. I figured if I had to spray something besides gly on my problematic weeds I might as well plant non GMO anyhow. I Just wanted to keep you guys in the loop on what I was up to.

257 what do you think about Matador S or any of the Loveland products the reason I ask is I have a buddy that is a dealer and he can get it cheap. I think the make a mix with metribuzim and metalochlor.

Yep Matador S is S-metoachlor,metribuzim and imazethapyr

I guess S-metoachlor is Dual magnum 2?

What is the deal with the S?

S is the safener part added to Metalochlor.

Updated pics taken Wednesday.

Man that looks good. Makes me really want a planter bad. Those ag beans or forage.

Those are Tyrone's and they are no till drilled on 15 inch rows been doing them that way for probably 15 years.

Yep my drill is a prized possession. I just put new Coulter's and double disk on it. I was thinking about up grading to a brand new one but I have sportfisherman sitting in Orange Beach dreams so I'll save the 20k+. I do have a 4 row planted but I never use it. I keep thinking about planting a few peanuts at the house with it but I get lazy and just plant beans.

I have a 6 acre field of Derry forage beans that I planted about 4 weeks behind the Tyrone's and it is coming on strong also. Bean production is what I'm really interested in. My goal is 40 bushels an acre on about half the acres I planted and the smaller fields and edge need to pull 20 or so. I want a 30 bushel average and I'll consider it a success and worth my time and money. They are forage beans so the green leaf tons will be a by product of a good stand probably a 4 foot average some years 5. I've had eagle beans over 6 before

The pic is from last Wednesday.