BSK

Who run him off?

Probably a culmination of all the know it all sidewalk biologists on here arguing with him. There are some other great biologists that lurk on here but don't dare get involved because someone is always smarter/better at their job than they are.

What NightHunter said.

I hate that. I've always had good conversation with BSK. He seems like a really generous guy. Any time I had an idea or a question he was always kind enough to give his thoughts on it and make helpful suggestions.

http://www.tndeer.com/tndeertalk/ubbthre...e=1&fpart=2

Dang...They talk about us like dogs...

Now that's funny!

dang...sad right there. i really appreciated his posts!

Tru-Talker we used to talk about them like dogs years ago also. Been a long time since I heard anybody down TNdeer or its members. ALdeer was bought from Dennis G. he owned TNdeer and several others, we used to argue back and forth with them on a daily bases about 10-12 years ago.

Funny thing is, most of what they said about the people on this site is exactly why I quit visiting and posting on tndeer 10 years ago. They all acted like they hated one another and spent a lot of bandwidth bashing Alabama.

I now see a lot of the same things here that I saw there but I realize it's just because this site has grown so much and when you have that many members you're gonna have some issues from time to time.

The truth is everybody likes to point the finger in the other direction but there really isn't that much
difference...unless we are talking about yankees.

Bryan seems like a good guy and he has a lot to offer. I wish he could just ignore those who only want to argue but it seems he might be a little thin skinned.

Bet that got pretty funny and ugly at times... Especially knowing the TN....AL love hate relationship...

I agree, I lurk on TNdeer just to read what he has to say about deer and trail cameras.

I do miss BSK.....

Hey , easy on the dogs!

I always liked discussing with BSK, lota knowledge there. But a few on here always wanted to pile on. I met him and heard him speak at the QDMA convention in Nashville a couple years ago, good guy.

Yea, i value his opinion, and more so his knowledge from years of studying whitetails, and running trail camera studies. He didn't just say something, because he thought it, he said it because his studies showed it. I like to joke and cut up, but i'll be honest, this forum gets carried away sometimes. Sometimes its like a kindergarden. Hard to carry on an adult conversation.

I learned a lot from BSK. Wish he'd return on a regular basis.

I learn a lot from Matt Brock and Dr D. We run off Dr Ditchkoff too?

I think somebody got on one of his students pretty hard on here,Brian didn't take it very good.I really don't blame him,why try and help people with sharing knowledge,when people just want to bash him.

Yeah. I've grown a thick skin from being on here.

Why miss someone who thinks everyone on here is an ass? Never been on tndeer and dont plan to get on there either.

Looks like the last thread that he was in 49er was arguing about the check in system

Spy, Bryan doesn't think we are asses. As I remember, one member was particularly rude to him re: Game Check. This was the icing on the cake. I talked with him about a month ago. He was his usual jovial self, but my light-hearted plea for him to come back didn't work.
Haven't checked when he was here last, but I hope he sees this topic and reconsiders.

It wasn't 49'er as I remember.

BSK and Dr. D will return when they feel the need to. Its frustrating when you feel like you are beating your head against the wall all the time.

This is funny, coming from someone who lives in Tennessee.

x2 screw em!!

I blame 49er. I miss BSK and Dr D. They have forgotten more than most know.

you post on boards like this and have a opinion you better have thick hide . lol

way to many take it to personally though .

There are a lot of other biologists on here that people won't listen to. They explain about how to manage property and deer but most don't want to listen or just argue. If they don't want to interact on the forum then so be it. Lots of info you can get for yourself on the grand ol' world wide web.

BSK was a good knowledgeable poster, but we have a few people on here that are ALWAYS right and will just argue to be arguing in the hopes when the other person gives up they have won. For people like BSK that post on multiple sites in the hopes of helping people I can see where someone that continually argues your every point you would just move on..........it is a shame.

lol, my thoughts exactly.

i never cared who was who or what they done . if i disagree i disagree but i'm never closed minded about any thing . at times it takes more than just words to change my mind no matter what he/she may know or how well he is educated , or claims to be .
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The above may be true for a lot of people but do you srgue with your doctor when he tells you why you are sick? Do you argue with the mechanic when he tells you why your engine has a knock? Do you argue with you lawyer when he tells you he can save your arse from trouble? I hazard to guess NO. So why is it that when a biologist that has studied and worked with deer (enter whatever species) for several years explains something, he all of a sudden doesn't know what he's talking about?

It's almost like you have to be accepted into the fold around here as a biologist to be taken seriously. The only two I've seen a lack of arguing with is Gobbler and Matt and that seems to be because they pick what topics they get in very carefully. It's a shame actually! I would enjoy more biological talk.

i don't remembering arguing with matt and gobbler so they must know what they were talking about . lol

^^^^ jokingly my point. Not taking anything away from Ted or Matt. I've met them both and both are very smart guys and good at what they do but they aren't the only ones that are. Some of the best deer guys in the country live in AL and swing through here from time to time.

Steve and Bryan can be polarizing at times but that is because of the depth of their understanding of what they are talking about. Believe me I've sat and argued with Steve for hours about study designs and how gather data and so on but science is science and results are results. Once duplicated, proven and peer reviewed I find hard for even an engineer/doctor/lawyer/farmer to argue biological science with a biologist.

This place isn't the only place like this though. I find it is this way with many people. It is one reason I don't miss my old job. It is also why you don't see a lot of consultants either (and the economy).

it's the opinions that they are argued with . they put a opinion out there with nothing to back it up , they need to expect a argument .

If I didn't second guess my doctors I would be dead right now. If I didn't second guess my mechanic I would throw thousands down the drain over the years.
I'm not speaking about the guys your talking about but some of the dumbest people I've ever known have titles and degrees galore.I can remember not to many years ago when the yotes came on the scene we were told they have little to no effect on deer populations.

Agree stalker, but I think the problem wasn't the disagreements just the tone, name calling, cut-n-paste stuff. Those guys are professionals and can't get dragged down by that sort of crap, can't really blame them IMO.

Its not always about deciding whether you agree or disagree and then telling why. With people like BSK or Dr D…..sometimes you ought to just listen to what they say for the shear sake of broadening your perspective on a subject that someone else knows more about. It must be a male pride thing because it seems like many folks have an issue any time its perceived that someone else may know more than them or may be a better hunter, etc…Too many folks on here have taken the position that they already know everything there is to know about deer, food plotting, etc…and they’re very closed off to listening to anything new or different from what they already believe. If you take that stance then you’re sure to be left behind in your thinking. Our level of knowledge of almost any subject is constantly growing , changing, evolving,…..

I think one of the reason they left is because it seems like there are a very low percentage of people who come here to really learn or educate themselves. That’s what I think both BSK and Dr D are really about. Helping to educate the general hunting public. There seems to be too few really here for that reason though and many aren’t open enough to be educated beyond anything they think they already know. The majority of the folks are hanging out at the General Forum keg party telling fart jokes and watching youtube…

Right on CNC, it plainly states to leave the "goofy stuff" on the general forum on the Serious Forum heading. Just about everyone gets caught in it every now and then. But the name calling, piling on, closed minded I know it all, is what turns folks off here.

With Doctors and mechanics, people are encouraged constantly to see a second opinion.

It's not an insult to the Dr. or the mechanic, its just a good idea.

There is also the fact that they walk and talk deer biology all day long in their regular daily work. They have to take a break from doing that or else they would go insane. I dont talk much archaeology on here because I need a break from work. Doekiller doesnt like to talk law shop on here for the same reason. Toothdoc doesnt talk dentistry on here to often for the same reason.

Also, talking shop on the internet gets frustrating because these little chat boxes are never enough to fully explain everything.

^^^ This is what I'm talking about though. Not getting second opinions. A second opinion would come from another biologist/professional not yourself or your buddy because y'all know better because you have been doing it 20 years. The above is the more common stance whether folks want to admit it or not.

I'm just saying the profession seems to get little respect from hunters for some reason.

I completely agree CNC. If somebody wants to ask a follow up question, do it. After that, question what you want, but don't keep beating these folks to death. I have found out a lot from these guys (maybe I was ignorant to start with.)
I disagree with them at times, but it is in relation to my own experiences and how I see them.
We've all pretty much come to the agreement that things are a little different all over the state. Their line of work at least is scientific. BTW, when is it wrong for someone in their business to express their own opinion?
If we want to argue with each other, have at it, but leave these folks alone.
They are the basis for lots of folks to tune in. And this includes lots of lurkers.
IMO

What's unique about BSK is he hunts and mangages his own property and does research gathering there. I found many of the same things he observed and proved, I have been seeing for years as well, confirming many of my own suspicions and theories. He is taking it down to where "the rubber meets the road" so to speak. Not only info to help you grow them , but help you kill them as well.

2dogs, That's exactly what i found as well. He was one of the first to tell me, that our deer were not going to act like midwest deer. In his opinion, midwest deer should be a different subspecies, than our deer. They just don't act the same. I thought, finally, someone with a plaque on the wall that, enforces the same idea's that i've had for years.

Arguing can Be a good thing for both sides. We sometimes get stuck in our own point of view and then that one guy will argue with use and If your not to bull headed it might just help you. The problem most people have with Biologist is they are telling us what to do and have never stepped foot on our land so it is hard to take there info but it is always smart to listen to them and take bits and pieces that will work on your land. No one person is right when it comes to Deer. Especially when every piece of property is different. So it is always good to get other Point of Views.

Your Doctor doesn't tell you what is wrong with you over the phone he has to look at you and run test And they are always practicing. Deer Management will always be a Practicing method that will keep on evolving. Matt Brock and I have gotten into it a couple of times but I will always listen to his opinion. And hopefully we can always learn from other Opinions. It is a shame that other Biologist have left but I can understand. We do argue but sometimes that is the only way some people can learn.

I agree with this. I've talked with folks in the upper Midwest who think we're kinda nuts for hunting the mornings because their deer move primarily in the afternoon.

Deer in south Florida breed in July and August. "The Rut" in Iowa typically can be pinpointed on specific dates - be there or be square. Deer in Montana and Wyoming and maybe the Dakotas are different whitetails than the lower midwest, IMO.

They're different and adaptable and cool.

Biologist don't always agree with each other either.

I knew that BSK didn't know what he was talking about when he disagreed with my statement that....a spike will always be a spike! That's why I shoot every spike I see so they won't breed my does!! Also, spike meat tastes better

And never will. Texas biologists always disagree with the rest of us but hey, everything is different in Texas.

I had a very well noted biologist once tell me that if you want to see a heated argument... put a bunch of biologists in a room and get them to talking.

There is a lot to be said about education, studies, etc... and you can't discount the knowledge base foundation that has resulted from hundreds (more than that) of thousands of research hours.

Some hunters are quick to discount biologists and knowledge-base but the average person has no clue about the DETAILED, ABSOLUTE, mind-blowing, painstaking scientific approach (i.e. P-vales) to detail of how research studies and data are collected and analyzed.

People have to be willing to accept and appreciate research and education but at the same time, integrate common sense, personal experiences, etc... and mesh them together.

It's hard to sometimes understand biologists' perspective but their approach and consideration or opinion of whatever it may be, is (usually) "foundation-based" and not because they've been sitting in a shooting house every deer season for 30 years.

Hey everyone. Interesting discussion.

I can't speak for BSK or anyone else, but I think that the suspicions that people posted on here pretty much sum up why I haven't been around.

1. Super busy
2. It gets frustrating at times...pretty much for the reasons that were listed.

I don't think any of us expects everyone to agree with us on everything. We as scientists are trained to question, second-guess, etc. That is science, and so I'm OK with it when my thoughts and ideas are questioned. But, when it's taken to a personal level, it gets frustrating.

Hopefully I can find some time to start getting on now and again. I enjoyed sharing thoughts and ideas with people on here...and it gives me a good perspective on what hunters in Alabama are thinking.

Until then....

Welcome back Steve! Glad to have you

Yes welcome back Steve you have been missed ......... I do wish people on the internet just not this forum would learn how to have a civil debate without getting personal. I have heard people say that is how they talk to people in person too but I seriously doubt that....

Thanks, Steve. Appreciate seeing you again.

I appreciate you chiming in Dr. D. Don't be a stranger, come back often!

[quote=NightHunter The only two I've seen a lack of arguing with is Gobbler and Matt and that seems to be because they pick what topics they get in very carefully. It's a shame actually! I would enjoy more biological talk. [/quote]

1, you must have missed a lot of the posts in the Turkey forum
2, I always thought the only biologist that was rarely argued with was u!!

Disagreement is not the prob. While there are egos, especially associated with this field, investment in education and career time, but when things get personL, nasty, or persistent it gets tiresome. Most of the time I simply don't think it is worth typing. I get paid for my opinion, I don't give it for free easily.

Ha, Folks were afraid their lease prices would go up

The last part makes you the smartest one of us all!