Out of state hunters

I know it’s a money maker for the state but shouldn’t there be a cap on the number of out of state hunters that are allowed to come in and hunt??.....I mean, if you and I were running a hunting club would you allow there to be an unlimited amount of members and it just be about on how many memberships we could sell??.....At some point don’t you have to step back and ask the question…..”How many memberships can we actually support instead of just how many can we sell?”

Well, I don’t think there is a massive amount of out of state hunters coming in. I maybe wrong. But who would come to Alabama to hunt besides Floridians? The delta is too close for MOST Louisiana folks, and the hunting is great in GA and Tennessee. Besides border people I guess. Any idea what percentage of hunters in Alabama are out of state?

Acc’d to Google…approximately 44,000 non-resident hunting licenses per year are sold.

It's a money maker maker for me as well so I'm good.

Lot of folks in Atlanta and Florida with growing populations....Long term how many of those people can Alabama hunting lands support?....Seems like there would come a point in time where you have to cap it.

I’d be a hypocrite if were against out of state hunters. These last few years, a majority of all my hunting has been out of state. Definitely a money maker for OTC states.

It's not like Alabama is growing more land. Leases go up and more money wins out. Average lease around here is about 20 an acre. Dont want to pay it, no problem. Somebody will pay it within the hr! In other words your replacing 10 hunters with 10 hunters. It's probably what the state wants anyway. Look at the University of Alabama, they push out of state tuition. School is 75 percent out of state right now!

Is that just deer? There were only 233k licenses sold for deer last year. That means that 20% of deer hunters are from out of state?

If that’s true I was totally wrong. I would have guessed way under 10%

So that means we only had about 190k Alabamians hunting deer last year.

I’m sure many Floridans are tired of Alabamians coming to their beaches can clogging their streets with out of state traffic.

Yep

So I should not be able to hunt my own property, or the surrounding land that I lease because I live in Louisiana? I already pay a ridiculous amount just on a license.

I would be a hypocrite to say yes also because I hunt in Louisiana and MS, they don't have a limit on how many out of state hunters they allow to come in.....

I don’t think the resource is under enough stress to warrant that spec. I know a lot of states do a draw system for out of state deer licenses. But the resource is not as abundant as Alabama’s.

I don’t think you put a limit on how many out of state licenses you sell. You boost the price up for an annual to about a grand and move on. It’s too cheap now for an annual out of state license.

Harold, you really need to put a cap on it and quit giving Montgomery ideas. Edamnnuff.

You always say the nicest things.

He wants to change everything but you bring up tracking rules and oh my!

Really can’t speak to out of state deer hunters but if I had to hunt public land for turkeys in Alabama, I’d be fighting mad to see a slew of out of state truck tags waiting at the gate every Saturday morning. The problem with those people is they are making a living hunting public land. They’ll be hunting everyday until they tag out and then move on to the next state. A working man can’t compete with that.

Out of state hunters money has the same value as resident hunters. And there’s plenty of places for them and us to hunt. Don’t be ridiculous.

I hear what your saying but I don’t think out of state hunters are replacing resident hunters at a rate of 1:1…….A high percentage are going to be “additive mortality” when it comes to harvest rates……Don’t get me wrong, I aint saying we shouldn’t have out of state hunters…. it just seems like there’s nothing really moderating how many we have……Look at it this way, we have a 3 buck limit that we are all supposed to adhere to as individual hunters but yet there’s no limit as to how many of those 3 buck quotas the state can sale to out of state residents. What if in the next 10 years they reduce the limit to 2 bucks but sale an additional 40K out of state license annually??....Would you be ok with that??? The reduction in the individual limit probably didn’t change anything from the deer herds perspective…….See how that math works…….Just saying, things change over time.

I do believe that the out of state license cost should be reciprocal. IE, whatever state the hunter comes from should be charged what we would have to pay to hunt in their state. Just my 2 cents.

ya'll wanting to limit out of state hunters need to go back in time and study the Ga vs Fl fight over non resident users. Turned into a real pissing contest

I’m sure South Bama is different but I literally know of zero non residents up here in leases. Zero

I’m sure there are a few scattered but I’ve never seen them.

I think Louisiana should limit out of stare fisherman and duck hunters and triple the cost of out of state licenses. Dang outa staters are catching all our fish and killing all our ducks!! Gees man, take your medicine!!! You’re getting plum anal with this crap!!

The out of staters here are Alabamians going into Tennessee

And yet Alabama residents complain about paying a whopping $47.00 for an annual FL saltwater fishing license.

CNC, wouldn’t the state make more $$ if they only allowed non-residents to hunt in Al? A resident annual hunting license with baiting permit is $50.10, yet a non-resident annual license and baiting permit is $437.20 per person.

For myself and my wife I paid almost $900 this year in licenses for Alabama. I also own land in Alabama and pay Alabama property taxes, yet am a Florida resident. How are you going to handle that with these ludicrous ideas?

I’m cool with non resident hunters just think they should be limited to 1 buck a year like most states

What if both states have that rule?

Very annual Marsh! Telling a guy how to hunt or their way is not good is kind of a slap in the face

Nah. No reason to do so.

Unless there is a legitimate, definitive, provable resource being impacted negatively that might warrant some kind of percent cap on resident and non-resident hunting, I don't see the big deal. Non-residents do more than "kill mah deeeerrrr!" by spending money on gas, food, hotels, at other stores, at processors, and through their license fees. We do the same in other states when we go fishing and hunting there.


And know this: If the state gave in to this selfish lunacy, resident license costs would increase and they would come up with other ways to make the shortfall. Permits for gun, bow, xbow and muzzleloaders, for example. Mandatory turkey and deer "conservation" stamps. Small-game habitat stamps. Myriad fishing licenses and permits, like a "conservation stamp" for fishing or added boat ramp fees or Guide License or Tournament Fees for any tournament.


Some of y'all going on about rules and regulations to change are going to rue the day if you keep on about it. You're going to be like the dog that catches the truck and then thinks "Huh, WTF now?" and realize too many laws-regs-rules are bullchit. Less is more in that regard.

Well I was one of those dam Florida hunters for decades.But now I am a resident so let’s ban all those sob’s before they kill all our deer and steal our women.

I've listened to people like CNC bitch about out of state hunters for the 40+ years I've been hunting.

Some folks ain't happy unless they've got something to bitch about so they just make up a problem that isn't a problem.

I wonder how many clubs have added an additional member or two in recent times to make up for rising lease prices …….How many more will be added in the next 5 years as prices climb??.......Things change over time fellas………

I'll trade some of these bitching in state hunters for some out of state hunters that don't think we need to change chit every damn year.

I dont mind the out of state hunters.. Its those sorry azz AL RESIDENTS that dump their Household garbage all over the woods that id like to ban!

I had a friend of mine that owned restaurants and hotels in Alabama. He said he would go broke without the out of state hunters.

One thing doesn't change..............

I think it sounds great. No out of state deer hunters in Alabama. And No Alabma residents hunting Turkey in the midwest. I'll take that trade. 😀

I think some states have reciprocal fishing license agreements based on where the body of water is or something like that.....

The out of state hunters i deal with handle their bussiness way better than most locals I deal with. I've never had but one issue getting paid from them either.

I’m not sure when LA changed their permit schedule to be more reciprocal to MS, AL and FL but I remember years ago, as an AL resident it cost me $17 to fish here, about $28 to fish in MS or FL and $90 to fish in LA. An out of state all game license was about $700 also but only $400 in MS. But it looks like the prices have come down since then.

I'd guess at least 50% or more of those, if not more, are related to the 10,000 pay to hunt places currently operating all over Alabama. You dont see many Alabama residents heading to Alabama pay to hunt operations. 3 days and gone.

Most Alabama hunters dont bother following the law. Getting a hunting license is merely a recommendation for a large portion of the population. Remember, you've got only a little over half the people participating in Chuckie Check. I'd guess in-state license sales are the same way. I can hear it now. "I own the damn land and I'll be damned if I'm gonna have to buy a license to hunt my own place." Sound familiar???

It's pushing $400 for an out of state now. How about we make the in-state licenses $150 each, raise the fine for hunting without a license to $2,000 and use all that extra money to actually fund the salaries of a couple hundred more GWs.

Here's how I see your situation Spec. If you physically own property in AL, you should be able to get an in-state license. It's BS that you own the property and pay taxes on the property to the state of Alabama, but because your job requires you to live in another state, you're considered a non-resident.

I'm glad that the reciprocal license agreements were reached between the states. I used to pay through the nose for my out of state FL fishing license every year so that I could bass fish the FL panhandle. Same with LA and MS on both the fresh and saltwater. It's got to end somewhere. Like someone said, are the FL, GA, MS, and LA, hotels, restaurants and beaches, bars, casinos, and charter boat captains going to require you to produce a drivers license and if you're from AL they get to charge you 5X as much as they charge a local. It's honestly ridiculous CNC.

I love that idea

Abolt, I don't think you have to buy a license to hunt land you own.

no license on land you own. Over 26 years I wrote only a small number of folks for no license, I "think" most folks do actually buy a license to hunt. Fishing is another matter....

You're correct. I didnt type it correctly. I was referencing my neighbor who owns a 20 acre piece that he lives on and leases another 200 adjoining it and he will tell you flat out, I live here and I'm not buying a license to hunt any of it because it is right out my back door. He refers to it all, including the leased piece, as his land.

All I’m saying is……if we decide that too many bucks are being killed then it doesn’t make that much sense to lower everyone’s bag limits if you just allow an unlimited amount of hunters to come into the state. You cant just pretend that hunter density isn’t playing a role in that….Well, you can but it doesnt make it true……Since 2018 the number of hunters has risen from 191,000 to 238,000…….How many of those you reckon have come from out of state??......Are you good with them lowering your buck limit and selling it to out of state hunters? Just something to think about when the talks start about 2 bucks

I'd just shut down all the pay to hunt operations. Kill 2 birds with one stone. Almost exclusively being utilized by out of state hunters and also a bunch of young bucks being shot because if they pay their money, they expect to kill a deer. Wont happen. Want to know why? Hint......$$$$$

To review……We’ve added 40K hunters and gave them all free for all corn…….Pretending that doesn’t have an impact is absurd in my opinion……I cant see how its going to be sustainable long term……If folks are going to try and lower the limit in the future it would be nice if it actually improved the herd versus just making up for baiting and increased hunter numbers

I’m surprised with all the non residents hunting Texas hasn’t depleted the buck population there especially with all the feeders that are in the state!! Not to mention, that in the history of forever, non residents have never depleted the buck population of any state. Just like here in Louisiana, very seldom will you have problems with non residents killing more deer then the law allows. Most issues are the actual residents of the state. Honest non resident hunters have way to much to lose if they screw up in another state. It can be a huge financial burden if we get caught breaking laws in other states. Limiting non residents will do nothing to help the herd. Common sense will do more to help the herd then limiting the number of hunters.

Nailed it.

Almost $500 a year to hunt property I own? sure seems like I'm paying enough already.

Seems like the quality in Illinois really went downhill due to non-residents if I remember correctly.....Math is still math no matter how much folks try to ignore the reality of it

This seems like the best all around solution.......

I'm still trying to figure why you think the deer population is down. I manage 6000 acres, run pay hunts, and do taxidermy. I see no signs of a depleted Herd!!

Intelligence seems to be lacking in some of these suggestions. Non-residents get one buck? Arkansas will make it so that AL residents can kill one duck per season, if they can draw a license. AL residents will have to pay $10K for a texas big game license and will only be allowed to shoot does. LA will make it so that AL residents are limited to 1 speckled trout or 1 redfish per season and no oysters or shrimp will be sold to Alabama, MS will limit AL casino winnings to a maximum of $100 per weekend, and only one visit every 5 yrs. FL will limit AL residents to one fish of any kind, that meets regulations, per license per year, and AL residents will no longer be welcome at any FL beaches or Disney. No south GA quail hunts or Braves games if you possess and AL drivers license. It's not a war that AL wants to start, can win, or wants to be in. There's no upside to it. Just negatives. Here's a suggestion, how about Alabama uses a little common sense and polices their own outlaws and rule breakers, while maybe the grown men and residents in AL exercise just the tiniest little bit of trigger restraint on the basket racks, and actually enforce the laws that they already have on the books and then see where things stand.

👍👍

Drop the 🎤 ABolt.

You don’t see it now but trust me you will…..I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that the guys hunting 6,000 acres will be the last ones the notice a change…… Five years from now just don’t act like nobody could see it coming when there’s a two buck limit being pushed to make up for all of it…..…..I’m sure many will be blindly cheering it on

I've been doing this way before corn or any of your other dillusional ideas came around. It's as strong on numbers as ever just lacking in genetics in most places.

Some interesting reading.......

https://forums.bowhunting.com/threads/il-deer-herd-still-not-rebounding.99093/

Based of vehicle accidents. Then it's the vehicle causing the decrease then? Car had corn in the trunk?

Now when I bring up comparisons to other states, you tell me Alabama is a different herd with different dynamics. But now all of a sudden it’s applicable?

You’re going to have to do better then that!! You find one thread on a forum that matches your thoughts. From someone who hunted the Midwest when the population was booming, it was the change in the limits that lowered the numbers of deer in Missouri. They went from being able to kill 1 buck and or 2 does plus a couple bonus antlerless tags a year to unlimited antlerless tags for residents and nonresident. We saw the miles and miles of trailer loads and pick up truck loads of deer waiting to be check and dropped off at the processor by Missouri residents. At that time. It many non residents hunted the area we were in. We walked out back of the processors and saw a pile of deer like I had never seen before. It had to be 40’ round and 10’ high. It was the damnest thing I’d ever seen. The local landowners and farmers hated them. The deer/auto collisions were outrageous and the State of Missouri accomplished what they wanted with a little help from a bad case of EHD which took a big toll on the buck population in NE Missouri and NW Illinois. It took years for the buck population to rebound to decent numbers. I still have friends that still make that trip every year and they are still killing very nice bucks every year, but the population is not where it was back then but it’s still in great shape. Also have some friends that hunt across the river in Pike Co. Illinois and they still killfine bucks while bow hunting every November. Apparently the numbers are up there because the farmers want them to fill every doe tag they can. Don’t go by what you read in some forum, as most of us don’t, get real time facts from the hunters who hunt the area in question.

I’ve always thought auto collision rates would be a good way of monitoring herd number trends……I didn’t realize some states actually used such until reading that…..I wonder why we don’t here?

I guess you and them got alot in common.

Every drunk who hits a mailbox at midnight turns it in as hitting a deer. Way to many people claim hitting a deer who didn't for that to be accurate. Also why insurance companies use it to say there are too many deer!

The locals up there told us that was one of the biggest reasons for trying to lower the population. The big auto insurance groups were raising cane because of all the damages they were having to cover with deer/vehicle collisions. I could believe it with the amount of dead deer we saw on 61 north of St. Louis those first few years I started going up there. At that time I didn’t know that many deer existed in this country. I will tell you I did my part to lower the buck population. I hunted there 5 years and put a buck on the wall 5 out of the 6 years. The 6th buck surprised in a pouring rain and I kinda jumped the gun. It was still a nice 8pt but not what we really wanted to shoot.

Oddly enough, I just got done reading the comments on a very long thread on FB with a lot of the same arguments and solutions, but it was about Osceola turkeys in FL.

I’m good with that. Since we’ve quadrupled our in state license with your scenario then we should do the same for out of state. So $1600 is where we should be for an out of state. I believe it’s fair. Only scenario I see where the out of state should be less is if you own your own property in the state.

I’m shocked anybody in any other state with the exception of Florida would pay to come hunt in Alabama. The best hunting in the entire state doesn’t hold a candle to Kentucky, Missouri, Ohio, Kansas, etc

I think if you own the property it shouldn’t be that much. You actually pay taxes in the state. Most out of state guys don’t. They reap the benefits of our long season and do nothing other than pay a lease price

This is STUPID. Folks like me live out of state but were born in Bama, own more land in Bama than probably most of y’all’s whole family combined, and put much dollars into the Alabama economy.

Cap my Azz !

if you own the property you should not have to pay shucks to the state to hunt on it.

Since my property taxes are more than some folks make, I agree !

Also, If you’re concerned about over harvesting get rid of baiting.

I don’t really even hunt deer anymore, mainly shoot yotes and bobcats and still have to pay like $400 for hunting license stuff.

That’s only if you are an Alabama resident correct? Me being a FL resident, and owning property in Al I still have to purchase a license to hunt my land in Al?

^^^
Thought - if you own the land - no license and that dont matter if you from
Jupiter - but i can find out if you want me to

Yes if you own land in AL but live in FL your still required to buy an out of state license..

I’m from out of state FL and maybe get up once or twice a year for a total of 2 weeks or so to hunt my club because of the distance. We have several South and Central Florida members and we all get along with our AL member brothers who are like extended family. We all kill deer and all get along. As far as killing too many deer our 2 problem children are local AL with more than a dozen cameras out that feel they have to kill their limit of deer like it’s a killing competition. Even our AL members are not happy with them. Most of the FL folks killed 1 or 2 does and 2 of us were fortunate enough to kill 1 nice buck each. Some killed nothing. We’re not up enough to hurt our club’s deer population. Thankfully our AL members are not like CNC. They know we drive long distance, have limited time, pay a lot of money on licenses and lease costs and want us to take some meat back. I pay a lot of money to kill anywhere from 0-3 deer a year in AL and spend a lot of money in local stores and restaurants and at the processor. We help your local businesses but I certainly wouldn’t spend $1400 for a nonresident license to hunt AL or buy a license if restricted to a certain number of deer because I’m nonresident. That’s stupid and bs. Stop blaming out of state for your lower deer numbers and look at your locals who hunt every day or week. Out of state hunters aren’t going to have the time to kill enough deer to hurt your numbers but they will help your local economy.

Every situation is different, but I definitely don’t think out of state hunters are a problem in Alabama. I agree with you.

Poachers and night hunting scumbags probably kill a many deer as get reported on Game Check.

Spending money and effort to severely punish outlaw hunters will have a much more positive effect on our deer hunting. Raise fines for these Azzholes to make it hurt and use these funds instead of harassing law abiding hunters with more regulations.

Y'all can make it about emotion if you want to but at the end of the day its about math.......Add 40K hunters and it makes a difference in the total amount of deer that get killed......If too many bucks are getting killed then something has to give somewhere.....

Bingo!!!

Take it up with resident hunters. That is your problem, not out of state hunters.

We killed 3 deer on one of my places where you normally see 20 plus on all 3 fields. I'm gonna guess they're gonna breed their way out of that problem.

CNC, I find it funny you think out of state deer hunters are an issue in alabama. You dont even know how many of those out of state license owners actually deer hunted or how many they killed. If you are going to say you arent emotional and it is all numbers driven then contact DNR and get the game check numbers to at least have some data (as flawed as it may be).

I held an Alabama out of state license for 8 or 9 years (I think) In that time period I hunted deer 2 days. And in truth I was scouting for turkey and took a rifle with me because I could. There was about 5% chance I would have shot a deer even if I saw one. I did pass on a 115-120 inch buck because I didnt want to pack it out.

Alabama hunters put way more stress on midwestern deer than anyone puts on Alabama's deer. If you start limiting out of state hunters or charging them a fortune the crapstorm will hurt Alabama hunters way worse than out of state hunters are influencing your herd quality. u

If you look at my original post all I asked was……”Shouldn’t there be a limit as to how many?”……Do you just let in however many want to hunt here as Atlanta and Florida continue to grow even if there stops being enough deer to go around? We can debate back and forth over whether or not the herd is decreasing……but for chits and giggles lets just assume for a minute that I’m right and its indeed decreasing…….Where are you going to make your cuts in the next 5 years??......Are you going to cut bag limits?

If the herd is decreasing it makes perfect sense to cut bag limits. You cut them across the board.

All 40k are out of state hunters?

Is there somewhere you can find this information year by year?

I have no idea which is why I’m asking. Wasn’t sure if it was the total of new hunters or you were saying that many new NR hunters.

The hunter survey shows that amount of new deer hunters since 2018……I cant find a breakdown for just out of state. I would guess though that a large percentage of them came from out of state….Hard to imagine we just produced a bunch of new home grown hunters. Maybe there's some associated with the growth of areas like Huntsville and Auburn

Well if Alabama hunters are killing 90+% of the deer, and the herd is decreasing then the Bama residents probably need to exercise some restraint and if they cannot, which they continually prove that they cant, then the state will have to step in and make a reduction in the limits. I'm telling you, the majority of those out of state licenses are people like my future son in law that came with my daughter to the camp at Christmas and bought an out of state license for the 2 days he hunted with the family. The largest percentage of those out of state licenses are going to be people coming in to hunt the pay hunt operations all over Alabama. Alabama's deer season is 4 months (16 weeks) long. Just one pay hunt operation running 10 hunters per week during the season would account for 160 of those out of state license sales. If there are 250 pay hunt operations (my guess is that it is way higher than that) there's 40,000 licenses and the majority of your out of state license sales.

COVID. Bunch of kids and adults having to stay home for 2 years, most likely got reintroduced to hunting or started back. Lots of people have moved south out of the NE out of democrap states and Alabama's population has grown. Huntsville alone has added almost 6,000 people per year for the past 5 years. You think any of those people moving in hunt? Those are all now residents CNC, just like you. Big picture CNC, Big picture.

Which part of the state do you hunt?.......Because there's a LOT of out state hunters occupying the clubs in the counties around me

We dont have to guess on this......The state has the information......Why dont we have it too??

Most of them moving here gor money to . Got a cousin that wanted to sale two 1 ac lots . Most wanted to buy the whole 46ac house and all

My ex gal in Queens NY has a 80 year old small house on less than a acre of land . It's wroth 2.5 million dollars. Lot of the people around her selling out and moving . So when they get to where they going they bring money

BTW……I think you’re WAY overestimating the pay hunt operations…..They don’t run nearly that many hunters through. I doubt there’s as many total operations as you’re estimating either…..There really aint that many down here where I’m at and I’m in one of the best locations for it…..I mean, there are some but its only a handful of them….not dozens upon dozens……My guess for why is because its probably not really that lucrative anymore and becoming less and less. Just like we’re talking about in the other thread…..its hard to find folks to pay top dollar to go on a mediocre hunt where they might have a chance at a 115” eight point.

West Central blackbelt. Marengo, Dallas, Wilcox and I'm telling you, Alabama resident hunters outnumber the out of state hunters 20:1 Now we do have a ton from Mobile, Fairhope, Birmingham, Tuscaloosa and Montgomer. They arent locals, but all those are still "Alabama Residents". You want to see what a real out of state hunting invasion looks like? Drive up to southern IL in the peak of the rut or over to Arkansas on the opening weekend of duck season and count out of state tags. Bama definitely doesnt have an out of state hunting problem compared to other states. Like I said in an earlier post. It's all reciprocal between states. Bunch of Bama residents frequent the surrounding states and use their resources too. Drive down to the Florida panhandle and count out of state tags next week when spring break starts. You think all those out of staters clogging up the beaches, restaurants, and causing traffic jams are going to piss off all the locals down there? Drive down to Venice when the big tuna are thick and see how many out of state tags, and how many Alabama tags are in the big marina parking lots. You might be surprised.

Let me redirect you to the what was originally said again abolt because folks seem to stray off sometimes giving an answer that doesn’t fit the question……..We have just cranked up the harvest on a decreasing deer population……Again, for the sake of the idea we’re discussing in this thread lets assume that’s so…..

In the next 5 years if we have to address the situation……Will you be ok with lowering the bag limit to 2 bucks without there being a cap on the amount of folks that can just keep coming in from out of state??......If there isnt and the number of hunters just keeps climbing then the buck you’re giving up isnt helping the herd to be better…..its just being redistributed to the growing number of hunters….And again, I’m not saying this to bash out of state hunters…..I’m trying to say that you might want to give this some thought before just lining up and supporting a 2 buck limit…..If you look in our other discussions, some people already do.

I've got no less than 20 within 50 miles of me. Quick google search shows pins for 33 pay hunt operations south of 80 between I65 at Evergreen west to over Demopolis and south down to around Thomasville. There are 3 pretty good sized operations very close to me that are not even listed on there and they run groups of 4-7 hunters on 3 day hunts twice a week from opening weekend of bow season all the way through Feb 10th. Same search shows 6 pay to hunt lodges just right there around Auburn. There's a whole bunch more than you think. It's not top dollar. Most are $1500 - $2700 with lodging and meals included. Damn sure aint top dollar. Go look at what a guided hunt on private land costs in other states. Bama is the Dollar General of paid deer hunts. Why is it so cheap? Because our age structure sucks as a result of the majority of our residents feeling that they need to kill anything that they see with hair on it and as many as they can. "We looked in the mirror and the enemy was us".

This is past being pathetic move on.

I like the ability to be able to hunt other states even though I rarely do. I like being able to fish in Florida. I do not live far from the MS line, it is conceivable that I may want to join a club in MS one day. Creating a license war will help no one.

You talk about big picture Abolt……..Look at the rising lease prices and what’s feeding into it…..If there wasn’t an unlimited amount of out of state pockets that can just come in and jack the prices up we might not be seeing such “inflation”…..As it is right now the ceiling is way up there for folks to just keep raising the price and packing more hunters in…….Lower the bag limits on them to make up for it……….Maximize profits ……Big picture abolt……big picture…….

Absolutely. I'd be fine with cutting off all buck killing in the entire state for the next 2 years if that is what it takes to start correcting our age structure, putting more bucks into older age classes, and what is best for the herd. I'd be perfectly fine with dropping the limit to 1 buck per season. That's honestly probably what needs to happen and what it is going to take to finally make people think before pulling the trigger on that 60-90" 2.5 yr old 6 or 8 pt. I enjoy working on the land, improving the habitat and managing and growing deer and turkeys as much as I do hunting and harvesting them. I'm only interested in harvesting mature animals. I passed the stage where I felt I had to kill a buck to prove I'm a good hunter or kill a deer just to feel like the hunt was a success, many years ago.

I remember back when we ran dogs in macon county for a club ,,,,, 3 times,a years they have around 30 come up from Fla to hunt . We had places we never ran till they came . Each one paid the club $25 each time that came


That was early 80s

Man you really need a shot of reality. Everything is double, triple, quadruple or a 10X increase in price from what it was 5, 10, 15, 20 yrs ago. Lease prices are no different than the cost of 4x4 trucks and cars, groceries, lumber, gas, oil, boats, houses, insurance, property taxes, hourly wages, and on and on. Unfortunately, it is the world we live in. Thanks in large part, to a govt that just prints money on a whim.

People will raise prices until people refuse to pay. At the point in time when they cannot get what they want, they will say okay, if you will not pay what I want to get, I'll just take this land out of the lease pool and no longer lease it for hunting. That will happen long before a price drop will, and unfortunately, that's just a fact of life. We arent ever going back to the way things used to be. I'll also say that I've been outbid on some really good property, that I've really wanted to get control of, on several occasions. It's never been by someone from out of state. Every single time it has happened, it's been a group of lawyers or doctors out of Mobile or Birmingham, and one time by a guy that owns a big trucking company here in Alabama.

Out of state pockets jack up the prices? How about greedy land owners. It sounds to me like you have an issue with out of state hunters.

When you can prove there's a decrease in deer I'll listen to some more of your crap. Absolutely No way to count the number of deer in Alabama.

For the folks keeping score at home........

For those keeping score. CNC is OCD and not the sharpest tool in the shed. He evidently thinks that nobody in Alabama has and is willing to pay big money for a good deer lease within an hour of their office and that only people from out of state can afford to do that.

What would really help is if they made it , you were only aloud to hunt in the county you reside in. All these city people hunting around me and killing all my deer are the problem. That would be fair and really cut back on the amount of deer killed each year.

I hate to tell a few but if your only paying $1500 a person you either don't have alot of land or too many members. I pay 3 times that not including plots and feed. Then again my club consist of me, wife and kids.

Your deer! That's funny!

I’m just a dumb coonass from Lowry Louisiana and I can tell you how easy it is to solve that problem. Buy or offer the landowners around you more money then the city people are paying and lease the property from under them. Problem solved!!!

I was thinking the same thing. I haven’t paid below $2500 the past 6 years

That won't work the three properties next to me make up about 1000 acres, the people who own them live in Montgomery, they own the properties just to hunt on. If it was law you could only hunt in the county you reside in that would easily fix their deer killin!

That's even dumber than the bullschit CNC is shoveling, which I didn't think was possible.

CNC, where did the out of state hunter touch you?

We lost a good lease to a bunch of rich cajuns who came in and offered the landowner dude more $. He learnt his lesson though because the cajuns shot the hell out of the place and tore his roads all to pieces with their monster trucks and hell raising. They trashed the place and pissed off all the neighboring landowners too. On another lease we learned midseason the owner got some guys from Florida to pay more $ than we could match for the following year so we shot every legal deer we seen just to piss him off but it was all legal.

🤣

I find it funny that it’s always our resident outlaws making the most impact. I’m not saying they don’t but when I was younger I remember clubs full of Cajuns who would kill every deer on the property they could. Keep it til they didn’t see deer and move to another piece of property and do it all over again. But according to you fellas the out of state hunters care more about OUR resources than we do. Bull

Growing up a poacher in Alabama with the absolute worst of the worst, I truly concur the scumbags are right up there with automotive strikes when it comes to killing whitetail deer.

I don’t typically get involved in these debates but this one struck a nerve with me. So I should just sell off my property and stay in Louisiana? Do you realize how much money out of state hunters pour into the local communities? Between mechanics, co-op’s, Forester, gas stations and grocery stores I spend a pile of money every year. How are Alabama residents gonna feel when other states cut them off? You want to limit public land to those who pay taxes in Alabama that’s fine but private land is a different story. I would bet out of state hunters have minimal impact on the deer. I can promise you the locals have way more impact on the wildlife. 2 Saturday’s ago when it was nice and cool, I don’t know which was killed the most, turkey’s or deer. It sounded like a war and I promise you it wasn’t out of state people. I only know 2/3 people around us that practice any kind of management, I know a pile of em that will kill anything with or without a horn and limits are just a suggestion. I’ve caught some of them who I thought I could trust hunting my property. Have you put a chart together showing how many deer that are bayed up by trackers and killed at night that might would have otherwise lived? Should trackers have to buy a separate permit?Sounds about as stupid as telling someone who owns or leases land they can’t hunt cause they live in a different state.
Here is what I’m getting at… it’s my freaking land and I don’t need anybody telling what I can and can’t do on it.

When i was in clubs - out of state guys were everybodies favorite because they could not hunt as much - i would hav filled my clubs with them if i ran club 😀
We had other in state pecker heads that would hunt every day 🤣🤣

Clubs are another problem, should only ne able to hunt you own in the county you reside in!

Make all cars drive 20 mph on the roads that go through your leases

What about Alabama residents who own property in multiple counties? Maybe we should draw the line on people who can spell or not. Can’t spell simple words like “be” then you can’t hunt, sorry. 🤷🏽‍♂️

I was one of those out of staters for years and was the best thing that has ever happened to the deer and turkeys of Alabama. Groups always have to have a boogey man to blame their misfortune on. The Germans had Jews and Aldeer has out of state hunters. The

Only where you reside, if you own property in another county, but don't live there, those deer belong to the people who live there and take care of them year around. And don't make fun of my spelling, this is a serious conversation, we all know the state is about to ban or limit out of state hunters, so we gotta get it right this time!!!

Your handle should be "Backwoods Dumbass".

Many clubs in GA don't want you if you live too close or are retired.

A lot of clubs in Alabama are the same way. No locals allowed due to the hunting pressure during the week.

I will never allow any residents have a membership of our deer camp. But there is a ton of residents that could visit or hunt with us anytime they wish if we are there. And of course there is a place at our table for them also. Ever Backwards Cowboy!!

Marsh I bet there is a very short list of individuals that wouldn’t be welcome at your table. You just seem like a genuine, sharing guy who enjoys a good time with good people

And you at mine!

What hypocrisy....

Living in LA, why do yall prefer to hunt in AL?

Its funny how its ok not to let residents in someone’s hunting club because they may “hunt too much”…..but mention letting in too many out of staters and that’s totally different……Somehow that isnt “too much”…..Yeah right.

Why do people from Alabama come to Louisiana to duck hunt? Guess we should shut down out of state hunters. For me my family is from Alabama and that’s where our property is.

You know the best thing about having your name on the deed or on the lease? You make whatever rules you want to. I hope you are just stirring the pot and not being a complete dumbass.

Nobody has said that out of staters cant come here and hunt…..Nobody has said that anyone owning land here cannot come in and hunt……What was said is that there needs to be a quota on “how many” instead of it just being open ended and only being about how many license the state can sale……..I’m sure there taking that corn money and spending it on ad campaigns to try and bring in another 40K……Apparently this is a hard thing to understand

Last week we were giving trackers a permit to night hunt, the week before that banning corn and cameras, in between, we were passing laws to make it harder to hunt legally, so less people would hunt, and now we're banning out of state hunters, and I'm the dumbass?

It’s very simple for me. I live, work and have hunted here since I was 6 years old. When I was younger I went with a couple buddies to there camps in Alabama and I fell in love with the woods. All we have around us is marsh and rice fields. We have plenty of deer if I just wanted to kill deer. The camp is way more then that to us. It’s our getaway!! When we pass through that gate the whole world stays behind. My wife and kids just love the place and they enjoy the woods and the pond. Also as I get older the more I want to stay away from people and it’s definitely the place for that. Like I tell everyone Lowry is home but the camp is our little piece of heaven!!! Oh and on occasion we actually do some deer hunting.

Probably!!!

I’m not sure what part of “We are not a club” you don’t understand!! We are a group of lifelong friends that lease a place to hunt. No drama, no bitching, and no locals. Plain and simple!!

Here's another way of explaining this concept…….2+2=4…….2+3=5……..2+4=6………See how when you keep raising that second number the total gets bigger??.....This really isnt much more complex than that.......

Which part of that did you have to edit, it wasn't a number after an equal sign was it?

It's like watching Dumb and Dumber...

LOL!!!...

Actually cowboy makes more sense!!

I heard the administration is going to start flying in out of state hunters so y'all dont see their trucks crossing the border.

Marsh can do it how he freakin wants to - how a club works 🤣

Out of staters would b my first choice - not residents - thats how good clubs usually work🤣🤣

I hav hunted those clubs that get hunted every day from residents - 0 big deer killed - pressure - pressure - pressure

Will they have PreChek from TSA?

The way Biden and Kamala are handling our southern border, we soon won't be worried about out of state hunters as much as out of country hunters!!!

Same here. Me and 3 good friends just lease our property. A lot of fun.

Some of yall probably kill more deer if you studied them instead of worrying about other hunters

Well that’s not near as fun.

Big Bore should have recognized it for what it was when it happened to him and warned us all. He's already been dealing with border crossing hunters for several years. Buncha Juans that decided to resettle in Bham were helping themselves to his resource. They quickly found out that he was not a democrat and not interested in sharing his resources with them.

I own land in Alabama and live out of state. I do not hunt with 6.5 Creedmoor, but I'll rethink that after I pay for my hunting license next year.

Not really against out of state hunters, but who knows what they shoot and how many? Are they even part of a club or hunting on their buddies lease. Back when dog hunting was a big thing these guys would come up in droves to clean out the local paperwood land. I knew an area the locals never shot fawns and these folks would shoot it all. As some may not know some of the heavily populated south Florida areas have lot's of money to spend, few deer, heavy restrictions, so there way leads further up toward Alabama. They take a couple of weeks off and blast the herd in Alabama in some major rural areas. We got locals that do brown it's down, but these folks can make them look like a joke. Either way if someone spends $10 an acre a lease next to the wrong neighbor to me that would be like pissing in the wind.
Unfortunately, deer hunting has become more about the dollars and making folks that don't shoot up the herd care less and less about the sport. When you really have time, look at the ridiculous hoops a person who hunts here and other states have to jump through to go hunting here and in other states just to shoot one deer.

over 26 years of wildlife law enforcement I found locals to be way worse violators than out of state hunters...and killed way more illegal and legal game animals.

Wow - I didn't realize it's gone up to almost $400 bucks.

I was recently looking at a Montana elk trip and the tag is $1,000... plus it's a draw. You get one animal. The resident license is $20 and OTC.

Maybe the out of state license in AL is only good for one buck or something along those lines.

MOST IGNORANT IDEA EVER... You f'ed up calling them "your" deer lol...

Ya may want to check the number of hunters in an area/state, and the total health of the herd. You can't compare deer in Bama numbers to elk in any state lol, It's apples to oranges. That one animal capp is the same in those States for residents as well. Limits should remain the same for residents and non-res.

Don’t worry, in a couple of years there won’t be a deer left because of corn and cell cams and you won’t have to worry about those pesky out of state hunters anymore

I’m an out of state hunter. I live in Mississippi and own the house plus land where I grew up in south Alabama. I also lease the joining property from a life long friend. Right now I pay property taxes on my place and still pay out of state license of $450 to hunt on my own land. I would hate to see something passed that would deter or make it harder for me to hunt the place where I grew up and learned to hunt.

That’s the truth! That was a crazy day for sure. Their intentions were to kill every single animal in that property! We found dead deer in the creeks and all over the property for weeks after they did that crap! It was amazing to see how much damage could be done in such a small amount of time. They had a team that day. 4 shooters and 2 others that toted the animals of into the trucks. We caught the 4 shooters but the other 2 got away.

Fixed it for ya bud!

I hear ya dawg from bama - hope you always get to hunt own land

Out of staters great by me - usually mean lot less pressure. Hav been glad i hav been able to hunt other states

I Need to get a Miss turkey one day

What Fred said. Locals say it’s their backyard and deer.

You buy a big game license to hunt deer. That would include also include turkey.