? About the 6.5 Creedmoor

I don't know much about the caliber, but my 9 year old wanted one for Christmas. After shooting several rounds of various different ammo, it shoots them all great, probably better than my 7-08. He absolutely loves to shoot it also. My ? Is why are so many on here bashing the round. This is a serious question, not trying to start a full out war 😂.

My 11 year old grandson got one for Christmas also, he is a really good shot with it.

Quite honestly, because a small group here have admittedly allowed what others have claimed about the round to trigger them, therefore they do not like the round. Not only do they not like the round because of what others have said, they have some strange, burning need to attempt to make others feel bad or shame about choosing the round.

I just don't get it, but whatever.

If you/your son like it...shoot it. It's a great caliber for whitetail deer. Flat shooting, low recoil, and great bullet selection off the shelf. Have fun, and good luck.

There is nothing wrong with a 6.5. I think what a lot of it is, there are many rounds just as capable. It’s the hottest thing. It’s all about hype to sell rifles and ammo. People have to have the latest, greatest. What is most important is bullet placement. You can shoot a 50 cal. If you can’t hit what you are aiming at, what good is it? Shoot what you are comfortable with. Learn the gun, round, and ammo. Build confidence in the rifle. You will be a successful. That’s the key to a good gun in my opinion.

Like someone also said. “If it was called a 6.5 Jones, it wouldn’t be near as popular”.

yup

Horsechitt. ^^^

Some folks are too thin skinned to take a joke about the Gheymoor.

I think it is just because of the hype of the round. Is it a good round, sure. Is it any better, meh. However gun makers and/or ammo makers have put this thing up on a pedestal. I repeat, this is not a bad round by any means, but some people say this gun is beat caliber out there. If you compare ballistics of the 6.5 creedmore to the 7-08, they are nearly identical

I would bet a majority of the bashing comes from what others read on Facebook and other platforms. I do not remember a ton of people here talking about the caliber as the best thing ever invented, but do see that in other places.

Just my thoughts. I'm not a ballistics expert and don't do bench shooting. I bought my girls a 7-08 because I only had a .270 and 7mm mag and would not want kids starting out with those calibers. It was the rage then for low recoil. Now I am paying $50+ for Nosler ammo.

Make a good shot and they'll probably fall quick, regardless of the caliber.

The hype surrounding it causes some ill will. Don't sweat it. It's a slightly improved swede. The swede was a great round. Is it head and shoulders above any of the near competitors? No.

I lov my 270 - I finally got a Tika 2506 - its nice - but like 270 better - I carry 270 mostly - my son just tore one up w it

There are several rifles I been thinking about buying- just get cheap and chicken out plus I Lov my 270

308 and 6.5 are 2 I hav been thinking about buying hard for several months - we will see

All I really care about is performance in the field. So far so good on dropping deer and pigs at reasonable distances. I've got no complaints about the 6.5 Creedmoor and it's now my #1 choice for hunting.

I quit trying to reason with the haters. The more they push the ridicule, the more foolish they look.

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4 things that stand out to me OP: 1) 9 year-old wanted one (that is a great start, he got the gun he wanted, and the gun he wanted is a good all-around round, it is great for target shooting, deer, and coyotes); 2) it shoots what you have run through it, and he can hit with it (that makes him want to keep shooting it, because it is an easy on the shoulder round); 3) He absolutely loves to shoot it (This makes him want to practice with it, you can't get good without practice); 4) you too sound like you are going to get to have some fun competition with different guns (competition makes us better). You have found a great gun for him.

Spot your boy got the gun he wanted and he likes it. That makes it the perfect gun in my book.

I have had four 7mm-08's and steel have two. Each one had a specific brand ammo it liked best.

What got me liking the 6.5 was every time someone came out to the farm to shoot one they all shot great no matter what brand of gun or ammo.

I how have four 6.5's in three different brands and all shoot the same ammo great.

Thanks for the replies, wasn't sure what some has against it. We are sitting in a blind as I type this, hopefully he will get his first with HIS new rifle. He is quick to let you know that it is his and not dad's.

!. You don't question the Creed.

I think it’s a great gun. I got one for my daughter and wife to shoot. Browning xbolt with a muzzle brake, so next to no recoil. Very accurate and kills deer. I shoot a 300 win mag and my son shoots a 300wsm but I have no problem grabbing the 6.5 if I get the hankering to shoot one with it. My son killed a pile of deer with a single shot 223.

I don't really know much about it. But, it just seems to me that Luke Bryan probably shoots one. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Cause it is the "in" caliber to have now and most who buy it just buy it to say they have it and will come nowhere close to taking advantage of its long range capabilities. Kinda like the drunk who buys a $400 ice chest to keep $3 worth of ice all weekend.

Seems pertinent to some here....

I have shot 2 calibers that seem to shoot most anything you ran down the pipe pretty well..and the guns themselves were super cheap budget guns...243..and the 6.5 cm..the 6.5 had better blood trail with the cheap Walmart bullets I buy...so I bought a cheap Wal-Mart 6.5 to shoot my cheap Wal-Mart bullets...I love my gun... tho its cheap..and ugly(to some of y'all..I think its beautiful)....that sucker will stack 140grn feds inside a nickel..an that is the absolute only thing a gun is good for...accuracy... If they don't shoot straight easily...then they are fancy pipes. Your boy got a fine gun...an that's what matters.

People just like yanking someone else's chain.

That's a ridiculous statement. Most deer cartridges can be effective at much greater ranges than the average shooter needs. Trying to put the long range only use on the 6.5 CM is a false premise. Would you say the same about the .243 or 7mm-08?

6.5 is fine. There are plenty of better options. What irks me is that people act like it’s the best thing since slice bread. It shoots high BC bullets at medium speeds while being offered in a short action with low recoil. Only benefit to the round is out past 500 yards. Majority of folks will never need or reap those benefits. Any of the norm deer cartridges will kill deer dead. No reason to switch from what’s been working for me.

Wrong. The 6.5 Creedmoor performs well at short distance too. I also hunt with a .308, .30-06, and .45-70 but rarely shoot beyond 100 yards. Does that mean I need to give them up and use a .44 mag or 30-30 instead?

Just because you don't want one doesn't make the cartridge invalid. Why is that so hard to accept?

Surprisingly, the 6.5 Creedmoor kills deer just as dead as any other cartridge...and even at distances under 500 yards.

Y'all are trying way too hard to discredit the round.

Where did I say it wouldn’t kill at short distance? There are rounds that can push bullets much faster and speed kills. This isn’t rocket science, why are y’all being so da**defensive.

This is the best quote on the Board. 100% accurate.

Bahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!

I shot a doe at 330 yards Saturday with a steyr scout in .308 caliber. I guess I was just lucky.

It is true that the 6.5 CM has superior long range performance. However, this is a deer hunting forum and who on here will shoot at deer 500 - 800 yards away. Hunt with the gun you can accurately shoot and make ethical "kill" shots with - and eat venison.. When you get older, you likely will not enjoy hurting yourself with the recoil of a 300 Mag, 7 mm Mag or 338 while taking those average 80 yard shots when you can pluck them just as dead with a low recoil, lightweight gun and a well placed 243.

"Better options" is subjective. You said "Only benefit to the round is out past 500 yards." That's absolutely wrong and thus the reason for being defensive of the merits of the 6.5 Creedmoor.

Shot placement and projectile construction kills, even at low speeds. Otherwise arrows wouldn't work. My .45-70 starts from the muzzle at the velocity the 6.5 Creedmoor is still travelling at 500 yards. No one on here is disputing the killing power of the slower .45-70.

I'm just saying it's a false premise to try and place the 6.5 CM as only a target or long range round.

Hey, I'll take good luck whenever while deer hunting! My longest .308 shot was 615 paces and I'm sure luck had a lot to do with it. But I did point the barrel in the right direction and my handload worked as planned.

Lot of butt hurt ^^^^^ by the 6.5 guys when someone cracks a joke about their exalted CREED.

Hint. Try some of this stuff...

If it makes you guys feel better the 243 is frowned on more in some parts. I've never seen any adult (besides me on occasion) to ever hunt with a 243. When I doe hunt with mine i think most guys wonder if I am also wearing pink panties too.

6.5 creedmore has never been brought up or seen in someone's hand. Though I'm sure it is among the suburban city folk. Don't kill the messenger but I think this is a regional thing.

46 yo and My go to carry every hunt gun is a Remington model 7 .243 with timney trigger and reduced recoil Berger hand loads. I’ve killed several deer over 200 lbs with it.

I have used a 243 Rem 700 youth model for many years, prolly killed 50 deer with it. I shoot Fusion 95 gr and haven't lost a deer with that load.

the only problem I see with the 6.5 Creedmore is the pushing it as a long range round. It is a good long range target round but a lot of folks don't understand the difference between a target round and a hunting round. The 6.5 is nothing but a 243 with an extra gear, it is no more of a 500 yard deer gun than a 243 is. My grandson killed a 180 pound buck with his 6.5 . It did a good job on the 80 yard shot, good entrance, and a 30 yard wobble and down.

Common sense ain't so common anymore.....

Good caliber. Over hyped though. Sorta like 1984dog said. most who brag about its ultra long range performance wont ever shoot more than 300 yards.
A 6.5 wont do anything for me that I cant already do with any other mid sized caliber that I already own so, I doubt I will ever own one unless some too cheap to pass up deal or trade comes along.

You would be surprised how many on here are quite capable of making that shot.

Yes I would be very surprised to see how many people on here could make an 800 yd shot.
Maybe 1 out of a 100. 800 yards is a long way to shoot a deer. 300 yards is longest shot
I ever made and I practiced a lot. I would myself like to see it.

I used to hammer down on them with a 243 Abolt and a Simmons aetec scope.

With the right equipment it isn't that hard to do.

it ain't that hard to do OFF A BENCH REST AT KNOWN DISTANCES. In the real world of deer hunting it is damn near impossible to do, even for a real good shot. 300 yards is a LOOOOOOng real world shot.

Ive watched people on a shooting range bench rest not be able to hit a 6" steel plate at 300-400 yards. There are a lot more people who cant shoot than those that can.

^^^^This^^^^

Your words:

"Only benefit to the round is out past 500 yards"...like I said, I hate to tell you, but it kills deer just fine at all ranges below 500 yards.

Now you're spouting "speed kills". If that's the case, why do so many people pick up a 30-30 when they walk out the door...or .35 Rem...or 7.62x39...or 45-70...or any other "slow moving" cartridge or shotgun? Pretty sure they kill deer just fine with those cartridges, too.

The TRUTH is that it's an efficient deer killer for all reasonable distances in Alabama....just like many other calibers.

Do other calibers do a "better" job? Well, that depends on your definition of DEAD. Personally, I know of only one definition...dead is dead.

So much bs being spouted on this thread....and all because of people being triggered by what people "say" about the round.

^^^ must own a creed ^^^

Do you disagree with anything in my post?

Speaking of being triggered ^^^^

When Chuck Norris shoots one then and only then will I think about it.

LOL....you've admitted several times that you don't like the round because of what other people say. That's the definition of triggered.

No. But your passion for the Creed was something to behold.

Listen to a few of the "1000 yard deer cartridge" claims about a 6.5 creedless, along with a few claims about it being a better hunting round than .270 Win, 7mm Rem Mag, and a number of others, and you might fall in with us.

I've heard it all, I just don't pay it any attention or let it bother me like it must absolutely drive some nuts.

I'm a grown adult....I make my own decisions about things, regardless of what others say.

Passion? Hardly...other than for the truth.

It's hilarious that some of you allow others to sway your opinion of things so easily, though.

In all seriousness, I've considered getting one. People just having fun about it. You have to admit some of the Creed humor is good.

I would like to own both rifles mentioned below

Google - is 6.5 Creedmore better than 270 - Ron Spomer has good article out - he did head to head comparison - good read

No deer or marksman alive or dead could tell the difference IMO

I shot a deer at 1000 yds. with mine. LOL

Strange that any man would be offended by what caliber gun another man hunts with. Surely theres something more pressing to worry about.

I went in to buy a creed last year and the guy wouldn't sell me one cause I wasn't wearing skinny jeans.

Never said I don't like the round.

The IDOTS spouting BS about the superiority of the ballistics is another story...

Ain't a damn thing wrong with a Creedmoor, it's a fine round. Pushes a good bullet at moderate speeds with moderate recoil. It's not the cartridge that's the issue but the ignorant masses that believe it's something it isn't. The average Creedmoor shooter thinks it shoots far faster and flatter than it does and when you question them they start spouting nonsense about long range and BC. I'm sure we have plenty of guys here on Aldeer that understand what it does well but the average "6.5" or "Creed" shooter act like it's something it's not.

So far, I've not seen anyone here on aldeer spouting that BS so there's no reason for you carry on so about it every time the subject comes up. There's several of us who have used the 6.5 CM in the field and are pleased with its performance. No one is twisting your arm trying to make you buy one.

Real question is where can u find ammo for the 6.5 now

There is one thing the Creedmoor seems to do better that any cartridge.
That’s raise people’s blood pressure

The round was originally called the Chuck Creed Morris. 😳

I’ll take that shot under certain conditions and if I have the right rifle in my hands.

You need to go back and read this thread, and many others on here about the creed.

I just went back through this entire thread, and haven't seen any of what you speak of. Care to quote any?

Hmmmm

Funny that you claim to not care what others think but you have taken time to respond to anyone who cracks on your precious CREED.

LOL....*that's* all it takes to trigger you?

Lordy mercy, y'all a bunch of snowflakes.

Who needs viagra when you could reload some 6.5?? Yeah C’Mon!!

Yep. I'm guilty of being triggered buy dumbarses vomiting stupidity.

You and peckerwood enjoy your sweet creeds...

This is the creed humor I'm looking for.

You've got nothing of substance to add to the discussion. So instead you lower yourself to personal attack. You seem to think it's fun stirring the pot but all you're doing is making yourself look ignorant.

At no point did I make an outrageous claim about the 6.5 Creedmoor in this thread nor on any other. I've taken game with the cartridge and can attest to its accuracy and effectiveness.

I don't need your permission nor approval. Who are you anyway? There's no proof anywhere I've seen in your posts that you even know your arse from a hole in the ground. All I've seen you do on this subject is to act like the village idiot.

That would be Idot. Dang newbie creedmoor shooter.

Awwww.

Want be long before this one is locked

I think it’s greatest advantage for deer hunting is the low recoil. If you are looking for a low recoil rifle that will kill deer. The 6.5 fits that bill, along with the 7mm/08 and 243. Most people wether they admit or not shoot better with a lower recoil rifle, and shot placement trumps everything.

And that's the greatest advantage on the benchrest as well. Low recoil with a high B.C projectile. Most people ( as has been said 100 times already ) will never be able to see either advantage as most cannot and have not ever shot past 200 yards. Can't knock the round for being very efficient though.

I've listened to the misinformed at gun stores, hunting camps and online speak of "how flat the creed shoots" and the "BC of 6.5 bullets is so much better than all other calibers" on more occasions than I care to remember. They've been sold a bill of goods by the marketing department at Hornady about the amazing ballistics of the 6.5 Creedmoor and these gullible morons have no knowledge of ballistics whatsoever. The 6.5 Creedmoor is a fine, capable cartridge, but any advantage it may have in hunting situation over say a 7-08 is NOT realized until distances are over 500 yards. Very few in this state will ever shoot at, or have any business shooting at a deer over 500 yards.

The 6.5 CM was originally designed as a low recoil target load to get supersonic velocities out to at least 500 yards. The popular 308 with a 168 gr Sierra Match King bullet goes subsonic before 1000 yards, one of the reasons for the 6.5 CM cartridge design The Creedmoor makes 1000 yard targets easy, but I would not want to shoot any big game animal at that distance with a 6.5 CM. I've seen a video of a bull elk which fell to a 6.5 CM shooting 143 ELD X at 600 yards. Does that mean its any more capable than a 300 Win Mag? Hell no.

So to add a little substance to this conversation. A comparison of the mighty Creed vs the ancient 257 Roberts. For the old Bob we will shoot a 115 gr. Nosler Ballistic Tip with its anemic .451 G1 BC at 2800 FPS, which is easily obtainable with handloads. For the amazing CREED we will shoot the popular Hornady 143 gr ELD-X with its astronomical .625 G1 BC at a velocity of 2700 FPS, which is the velocity listed for Hornady Factory Ammo. All information below is from a ballistic calculator.

Range Velocities Elevation (Drop in inches)
257 R 6.5 CM 257 R 6.5 CM
100 2596 2555 0.00 0.00
200 2401 2415 -3.67 -3.82
300 2215 2280 -13.40 -13.60
400 2038 2149 -30.23 -30.07
500 1869 2022 -55.46 -54.08
600 1710 1899 -90.67 -86.59

WOW!!!!!

IT'S INCREDIBLE!!!!!

The CREED has a ballistic advantage of 4.08" at 600 yards!!!!!!!!!!

Animals everywhere are cowering in fear of the MIGHTY CREED!!!!!!!!!!

I'm sooooo happy to have finally proved the ballistic superiority of the CREED!!!!!!!!

Good thing you didn't compare it to a hot .25-06 load. You would have made folks cry.

The Creed hate is strong with this one.

It will die down soon once everyone decides to bash the 6.8 Western.

CREED 2021

Obviously you have low level of reading comprehension.

It's incredible, really. Investing a lot of time and effort in it. The creed fanbois have really, really damaged him.

I may. But let go of the hate for the CREED. It will consume you.

One of the fan boys asked for substance, so...

Man, 338, there you go bringing facts and ballistics charts to an emotional agrument, for the CREED (capitalized to give it the respect it soooo deserves) owners. So to summarize in one sentence, your ballistics data shows that the hottest round and rifle commodity out there today is pretty much the almost exact ballistic equivalent of the .257 Bob (a cartridge that was invented 100 yrs ago, yep back in the 20s) at any reasonable hunting distance. How in the world can this be?????

A fool and his money are easily parted by slick marketing, hype, and a cool name. Yes, the 6.5 is a good round but it's no more special than a 243, 243WSSM, 257, 260, 264, 270, 270 WSM, 280, 284, 7-08, 7MM, 7MM WSM 30-06, 300 Win, 300WSM, 338 and on and on and on. Some are faster than others, some shoot higher BC bullets. The 6.5 is middle of the road ballistic performance in hunting situations. It's not a laserbeam, it just yet another caliber added to the line up of 2700-2800 FPS hunting loads.

Everyone that thought that buying a 6.5 Creed gave them a ballistically superior deer hunting rifle, as compared to whatever they were shooting before they spent that money, please raise your hands. One final comment, regarding the poster that said his 9 yr old just had to have a 6.5 Creed for his first rifle, there's your proof that the cool name, marketing and hype works and is still working. Adults fall for it too. It's a solid round and good choice for AL whitetails, along with about 40 other calibers.

Agreed. BC is irrelevant to probably 95% or more of hunters in this state because Id bet most deer shot in this state that the average distance would be 150 yards or less. At those ranges BC is irrelevant. 45-70 and slug guns do just fine at those ranges and we know how good their BC is.

Your problem is that you're (and maybe a couple of others) constantly bringing an argument which obviously bothers the hell out of you from a long range shooting forum to an Alabama deer hunting forum.

Maybe I'm wrong, but i'd bet that 95%+ of the folks here (certainly including the OP of this thread) only care if it will kill Alabama whitetail deer efficiently at reasonable Alabama hunting distances. My point all along is that it will... and I've not argued anything other than that. If that makes me a creed fanboi, so be it, but I'll defend a .243 (or most any other cartridge) as an Alabama deer killer just the same. It just doesn't take that much firepower to kill a deer. I couldn't give a crap what it does ringing a piece of steel at some obscene distance. If I did, I'd be on a long range forum railing on and on about it.

I was always incapable of fathering children. After one day at the range with my 6.5 Creed, I got six different women pregnant. With one load.

Trust me boys. It's legit.

What long range shooting forum? I'm not on any of those forums. I remember one dipschitt at the gun counter at Mark's a couple years ago who was giddy when talking about the incredible ballistic coefficients of 6.5 bullets compared to others. He was a clueless IDOT.

My ballistic comparison was for hunting distances, not 1000 yard competition.

Every time y'all asked me to provide information on this thread, I did. Then you don't like the information provided and switch gears.

See.... THIS doesn't shouldn't insult a CREED owner , it actually makes me want to buy a CREED. Good grief this is funny !

So, all of the triggering from one guy at a gun counter? LOL

No one asked you to provide information regarding a 6.5 vs .257 Bob. You just can't help yourself in regards to attempting to make a point most people here don't care about.

And sorry, but 600 yards isn't in most people's wheelhouse for hunting deer in Alabama...nor is even 300. Again....REASONABLE Alabama hunting distances. For Christ's sake, the original poster bought the gun for his 9 year old, but you rant on and be willing to die on this hill that you seem to care about so much.

I bought one for my wife. Light recoiling and plenty capable at any reasonable hunting distance. It was a great match for her. Probably what my son will be shooting when it comes time. Yes, there are plenty of other calibers that fit that bill. The hype and misinformation is real and is ridiculous at times. That does not change the fact that it is a solid choice for deer hunting.

Exactly.

Yep, finally you started posting something that took a little thought. Continuing to be triggered by people who like the 6.5 CM seems to be a problem for you. There's not a good basis for it.

Like I've said before, the long range potential of the 6.5 CM doesn't mean much to me. I don't know why you and others keep harping on that aspect. Bullet drop and wind drift figures at 500 yards isn't of any interest since I don't want to shoot that far.

For my style of hunting in Alabama, it's very rare to have a shot over 150 yards. I simply prefer hunting the woods. And I prefer to keep my shots under 300 yards on the rare occasion I'll sit on a food plot or powerline.

The 6.5 CM has slightly less recoil than my .308 Win and is slightly more accurate. But that's not something I really notice, especially when shooting at deer or pigs. So, what does the 6.5 CM do for me that can't be done by my .308 Win? Absolutely nothing. That still doesn't make it a bad cartridge and I enjoy hunting with it because the rifle has an adjustable trigger and the barrel is threaded for my suppressor. I also hunt with a .30-06 and a .45-70, thinking it's fun to use different cartridges.

I am with you , woodswalker, but I do get tickled on this caliber's rant on this sight. I bought my wife a 6.5 also. She started with a 25wssm, which i still have two of. I used this caliber due to it's light recoil, short action, and very-very flat trajectory. I switched to the 6.5 when the 25 ammo dried up and the 6.5 nearly matched the 25wssm on ballistics and terminal performance, with a few more grains of weight. We have a field that is set up for 300yd shots. I didn't want to confuse her on new hold-over aimpoints with a different ballistic setup. Absolutely love the performance of the 6.5, but we still hunt with the wssm also. Heck, I even use my 243 wssm from time to time. The older I get, I actually lean towards using those guns vs 300 win mag and the 325 wsm.

My brother bought a Creed and the first time he took it hunting he pulled up in the woods in his truck and had to get out and go to the bathroom and by the time he returned there were already three dead bucks in the bed!

Because it’s not “their” caliber, that’s why, I have a few guns, rifles from.22 to .300 wsm ,my first deer rifle was a Marlin 30/30 I hunted for years with that and saved some money and bought a smith and Wesson 270 bolt action with leupold scope man I thought I was the chit , 280 for rifle and 170 for scope but I got ribbed for the caliber cause everyone was shooting 7 mags and “270” wasn’t the big knock down but served me well now my favorite gun is a 270wsm but just bought a 6.5 cm to try right now I’m still using the 270 wsm on long spots and a .444 marlin in short areas , point being shoot what you like and like what you shoot and the hell with opinions

Nothing wrong with a 6.5 anymore than any other cartridge. .243 to .300 mag will kill deer.