Why the obsession on how others hunt?

Why do some obsess over those who want to use a long bow or a compound or a crossbow? Why do they obsess over what caliber gun others are using?Why do they obsess over food plots or corn or baiting in general? Why do yall obsess on the way people choose to hunt?

People in general like to make themselves seem better than others I think it’s just human nature.

Think about how dull this site would be ifnwendidnt.

If not better than, then im right so you must be wrong.

Well I'm a better hunter than anyone I have ever met but I'm modest about it and can overlook other hunter shortcomings.

I don’t even hunt I just go in the woods, find a spot I think is good and wait on the deer

Do as I say, not as I do.

If you watch the Ted Nugent Video “why did you shoot that buck” he pretty much hits the nail on the head. He says they are a “Lunatic Fringe of Supremacism”.

He also gives the antidote, tell them when it comes to other people’s choices “Shut Up!”

Things that work on these folks to possibly cause them to fight, an ulcer, have a crappy day, or cardiac arrest:

Silence

I didn’t open the subject to debate

Shut Up

Laugh at them

Mimic them in a stupid tone

If I want your opinion, I’ll give it to ya

If I wanted your commentary I’ll subscribe to your newsletter

Most people suck when it comes to others success. Hunting brings out the worst in people because most people are jealous of others killing deer. Many on this site hate the fact that others have good land, nice stuff, and tend to shoot lots of good deer. It is really a shame.

They need to learn to share.

You are correct my friend. If we celebrated our friends accomplishments like we do our own, we would sure get to do alot more celebrating and alot less hating on one another. Just think about that concept for a little bit. Yes it takes some getting used to but it is a better way.

I agree love is a better way but these fringe lunatics are damaged, ain’t gonna change, and derive their energy from acting this way. They’ll act this way to the store clerk, waitress, gun counter person, spouses, children, and so forth.

Its because absolutely nothing is greater than themselves.

Either learn to use them to your advantage, or stay away from them.

Because some hunters take this chit way to serious. We as hunters are our own worst enemy.

Killing a deer has become secondary for me. I know some folks don't like to hear that but it's the truth for me. It's a great way for me to get away from work and relax. If I get a deer, it's a bonus.

Why obsess over others obsessions?

Truth and the finger that I am pointing at is at me. Last year, the guy that hunts with me shot and killed a pretty nice buck. I heard him shoot then received a text saying “got him “. For a brief moment I was envious instead of happy for him. I never said anything about my initial thought but I am not happy it.

That was just a human response but I think you handled it properly. We dont have to act on every thought that runs through our heads.

Yeah, ya'll need to quit picking on Timber.....

Because it's the most fundamental and universal trait of human nature. In complete honesty, I'm far more perplexed by the guy who doesn't have contrary opinions (that's a feminine trait, not a "nice guy" trait). The single greatest human trait is self-centeredness...seriously, not trying to preach, but scripture says we are all born sinners, and the practical definition of "sin" is "self centeredness", it's literally in your DNA. Which is why I'm supremely curious of the guy who just loves everybody, and approves every thing, and wants other hunters to kill a deer more than themselves, and so forth. It's not natural. Jordan Petersen says the primary differentiating trait between male and female is "agreeableness". It's literally in the DNA of men to be disagreeable. Not to be an a-hole, but to stand up and call "bullcrap" sometimes. It's a feminine trait to hold hands and sing Kumbaya with eveybody who sees things differently than them. You say things about hunting deer that contradict everything else you say about every other facet of life. I guarantee you 99% of you are angrily against "everybody gets a trophy" in youth sports, but then you say crap like "any deer is a trophy."

Which brings me to another thing I observe (especially on this site) all the time... Y'all are the most opinionated and authoritative bunch of dudes I've ever freakin seen in my life about politics and cultural/social crap (like the Dicks boycott), really y'all are opinionated and authoritative about everything (just read any post on the general forum), but you are suddenly raging granola Libertarians about hunting. You become the softest, most selfless humans who have ever lived when it comes to hunting (especially if it involves youth). It's contradictory, and frankly annoying. You better see the world exactly like I do, and you better vote exactly like I do, and you better drive the same brand truck that I do, and you better do EVERY friggin thing on earth exactly like I do, except deer and how to kill them I suppose.

Lots of the comments above are saying that the person who criticizes a person for shooting a small deer, or using a "lesser" weapon, is actually just jealous because they aren't as good of a hunter. Seriously, that's stupid, did you actually think that through before you said it? In reality the opposite is the truth, which is why the guy who shoots the little buck, with an easy weapon, gets his feelings all rustled up when someone calls "bullcrap" on it. Don't act like it's not true. That makes a heckuva lot better sense. Oh, Ted Nugent is stupid also, because he's the biggest opinionated and authoritative hypocrite who ever sucked a breath on this planet. He's right about most things, I appreciate and agree with 99% of his stances on things like guns and citizens' rights, but then he goes off on this stupid rant about "every deer is a trophy" blah, blah, blah. Bullcrap. Just not true. It's NOT HARD TO KILL A DEER. But it's DAMN hard to kill a big buck, and it's even harder to do it with a harder weapon.

Most folks don't really care how you hunt, or what you kill, or what you shoot it with...at least not enough to publicly criticize you for it, unless it affects THEM. I stand and applaud Eskimo for being the most honest and real person on this website for what he said above....THAT is normal human nature, it's believable. I've been there a dozen times, I'd never let my buddy know I was jealous, but I was. I had a honey hole for years, killed some "okay" bucks from it. Had a buddy who routinely begged to go in there with me (he'd ALWAYS ask, "you got enough room in there for two of us?"). So one day I took him with me, and I did it the selfless way, I put him in the A-1 tree and wished him luck. He killed a 140" deer with a small extra main beam. He even said the deer was behind him walking straight to me (meaning I likely would've killed it had I been selfish like usual and gone alone). If I'm being totally transparent with you fellas, I've held a grudge against him for that (it actually happened twice with the same buddy, in that same season, on that same land). No, I'm not happy for him, I know I should be, but dangit man I put in years of work, hours of scouting, I did ALL the work!!!!!! I deserved that deer!!!! Do I realize how disgusting that sounds? Yes, but it's real. If he just went somewhere on his own, even if we had been together in some random place, I would be happy for him. But in this case it affected me, that's the only reason.

In closing, crossbows are not bowhunting. They are slow, short range guns.

I think it is equally as silly that all the doe killers want to chastise people that actually want to spend time in the woods hunting. The challenge of shooting a nice deer and hunting for one is something some of y'all simply can't get your head around. Not everyone wants to blow the nose off the first thing that sticks its head out of the bushes.



But you can.... Because our lax game laws have created an environment where deer hunting is just like squirrel hunting or dove hunting to many hunters.

You have people that want to shoot a nice deer but they can't because the squirrel style hunter blasts everything he sees or he drags his kids up there and they blast everything they see and dares you to say anything and ruin Johnny's "experience" of smoking button bucks like the plague because "everybody gets a trophy" as stated above.

And then those 2 ideologies collide.

And the guy that wants to shoot a nice deer and spend more time hunting and less time shooting ultimately loses the battle in most cases because they can't afford a high dollar club or have trouble finding a club or piece of property where people don't blast everything. Or worse they own land where there are some certified doe killers next door. And they want to improve their property and work their land but it is all for NOTHING. Because of Johnny and his punk Daddy who deserve to shoot whatever they want.

Welcome to Doe Season fellas. Starts Saturday. Enjoy.

Ikillbux, do you feel better now? :)I’m confused. Are you irritated with people that daily allow the love of Christ to work through them and their actions or do you trust people that are self centered and “doesn’t love their neighbor more than themselves”? Promise I’m not being a smart tale. I don’t get what you’re saying.

There’s a lack of empathy that’s rampant in today’s society which prevents people from being happy for someone else. It’s not just hunting. One person that can’t imagine how someone else could be happy doing something other than the way they see fit.

N A R C I S S I S M

The short answer to this is "Because a lot of people just plain suck"

you can go into detail as much as you like, as some others in the thread have, but it all just points back to ^^^^^

no, no, I see what you're asking. But (in my estimation) it has nothing to do with the love of Christ. Also neither person is right or wrong, it's simply a personality difference. I know tons of folks, even folks on this site, who have never darkened the doors of a church or have any relationship with Christ, yet they're humble and serving and just enjoy doing for others. One of my closest friends is this way, he is absolutely over the moon about all things "kids", he hosts NWTF youth events, constantly (CONSTANTLY!!!!) takes kids hunting and bugs the crap out of us about doing it too, and he always (ALWAYS!!!!!!!) says two common things that you'll see said on here often: (1) I'd rather see someone else shoot a deer than shoot one myself, (2) I don't care if I see a deer or not, I just enjoy being out there and the fellowship. This is a guy who has hardly killed any deer himself (so it's not because he's made it to the top of the hunting ladder and now wants to give back), he's just "that way". He's also a cussing machine and doesn't exhibit anything "Christlike", I don't guess he's ever set foot in church (I know his whole family, none of them have ever been in church). It's just his genetic disposition, he's the same way about fishing. And without fail, these same personality types "like to eat deer meat, and you can't eat the horns"....he has no standards.

Because of that, he and I don't hunt well together, I would NEVER join him in a lease or club. I'm not wrong, he's not right or wrong, we just enjoy different parts of the hobby. I'm older, my children are grown and gone. And I guess I'm just evil and selfish, but I actually have never lost my own personal desire to see and kill deer. It's literally the definition of HUNTING, if you aren't seeing deer and shooting them, you aren't hunting. I dunno, I just like hunting, it's why I started it as a tiny kid, and why I still like it. If I just wanted to fellowship and be in the woods, I could take up hiking, camping, and photography. (I'm being funny, not a smart tail )

10-4. I see what you’re saying. It’s the truth. I absolutely love helping others kill deer and turkey. However, I limit who and how many I take to my honey holes. What you said makes perfect sense. I personally hunt 4 different pieces of property. 2 are private and 2 are clubs. I take folks to my clubs first. My turkey hunting spots get limited guest hunts. Good post.

Now I don't really know why folks bicker and condemn others about things like which weapon, that's petty and pointless. I can make some humorous comparisons, but they aren't hills I would die on.... like the "vertical bow vs crossbow" argument. But I can see why there are arguments out there about deer management (for lack of a better term). I don't care what they say about the decline in hunting, that's total BS to me.... it might be somewhere in the country, but it DANG sure ain't in the south. I've hunted all over Alabama since the 80's and I've never seen so many people hunting. Lease prices are insane because the demand is insane. My point is competition has become worse, and we're much more connected and crowded than we've ever been. So as crazy as it sounds, what you do DOES affect others. We have extended seasons because select locales wanted it. We have point restrictions on WMAs now because indiscriminate harvests have resulted in SHITTY (forgive my profanity, but it's the word that best describes it) herd balances and/or overall numbers. And just in general, the vast majority of Alabamians have a much worse hunting experience today than ever before, all because indiscriminate harvests and free-willy ideals have ruined it. You simply cannot have "if it's brown it's down" for two generations and sustain it.

So where am I going with that rant? I'm in northeast AL, so is the guy in Mobile county REALLY bothering me at all with what he kills? Is the guy on the Tennessee line REALLY bothering me? No, not directly. But by extension, ultimately even if some years down the road, rules get made that affect ME. (refer back to my first post on page 1 about "people really don't care until it affects THEM") So a lot of times when I read social media arguments between hunters, what I sense is at the root of it is one guy saying to other, "Hey buddy, be careful, have bigger and higher ideals, because I've got 20 more years of experience than you and I see where the last 20 years got us."

And again, crossbows aren't bowhunting!

There is no place in the state that is not being hunted or sought after to be hunted. High lease prices are forcing clubs to sign on too many hunters for their acreage. Same thing is happening with fishing. There are more people out there than I have ever seen or dreamed there could be. Not that long ago, I could go flounder gigging and not see another person all night. Now it looks like an airport runway there are so many people out there and after way less flounder. And that is just one example. Try to find a spot on the beach where you can set up during the pompano run or a place on Grenada from February through November where you can't see a dozen spider riggers at once. All of the holier than thou finger pointing and shaming about how someone else is hunting is only going to get worse from here. Having said all of that, I don't think any of you should shame yourselves by using corn. I will do it and you can all tell me about my lack of woodsmanship.

'cause this is SERIOUS deer talk & we take this chit seriously ... respect the game, give everything a sportin' chance, and criticize others for not doing it the way you would do it ... sounds like a great format for a hunting discussion board ...

That monkey's face for some reason has me snickering.

LOL yup - a classic ... in ALL seriousness, i remember joining ALDeer & laying eyes on "SERIOUS Deer Talk" & thinking to myself, "Oh boy, this oughta be good" ... & it has been HA!

I'm not sure all the people are obsessing. There are some concerns that the methods one uses to hunt can lead to either a decrease in the acceptance of hunting across the human population and methods can also be deleterious to the targeted animal population. Baiting is one of those methods that can be extremely polarizing. Hard core trout fishermen hate barbs and probably me the most when I troll large cranks. I really dislike those that shoot small caliber guns (under 243) because it takes more skill to have an effective/humane kill with those guns and most aren't that good. There are some real consequences to methods chosen.

I am very disappointed in my dealings with snobby hunters, but equally put off by the real slobs out there. Both can do harm to the continuation of consumptive methods of management of our game species. The nation is changing and if there isn't some self-policing I don't think any of us are going to like the outcome. If you guys think you have the support inside state agencies that existed 20 years ago I've got a bridge to sell you.

By the way...I'm sure I've probably been considered both a snobby hunter and a slob hunter. I guess people are right. I don't care what people shoot, but just that they don't waste the animal/or lose it.

because everyone thinks the way they do things is the only correct and proper way of doing them and everyone else must follow suite or they are messing up. same logic liberals use applied to deer hunting

Dang y’all are long winded

I also notice it worse in fishing. We fished Wedowee this past weekend, middle of November, hunting season is open and it's youth weekend, freezing cold, and it looked like the first warm weekend in March out there with so many boats. They had a doggone high school tournament with apparently tons of boats, plus all of the ramps we went by had lots of trucks/trailers. I mean, good grief!!!! It seems like just a couple of years ago by now you'd have the lake to yourself. Folks who say "there are less hunters/fishermen" can go take a flying leap