Lowndes County Smasher!!!!

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Daggum

Sumbitch that's a toad.

My goodness

Very nice.

Congrats to the hunter that is a outstanding buck

Damn fine buck!!

Wow!

Awesome Buck!!

Heck of a nice'un.

Yhatzee!!

Saw a post about it on FB saying they're measuring him at like 186"

That is a stud of a buck....congrats to the hunter

Whoa! That’s a stud

Finally someone that actually looks happy that they killed a stud! Congrats to him!

Outstanding deer!!

Congrats!!

Nice! Congrats to the hunter!

Awesome buck

Holy cow that’s a niccun

Holy. Crap! What a buck deer!!

Holy shucks! We don't have the right kinda soil to grow bucks that big!

I would be crying like a fool!

I like that dude's gun!!

Ridiculous !dang that’s nice

Dang, look at those bases

That’s a full grown one.

Congratulations! Beautiful buck!

You said it man and I totally agree!

Geesh what a damn deer!

Wow! Congrats to that hunter. Heck of a buck!

My goodness what a deer!

Wow.

Beautiful!! Congrats

STUD!!!

Lowndes, Ohio?????

good googly moogally

Ya that's a thick rack congrats for whoevever killed it

Buddy that lives down that way just told me it was a pen deer, Fort Deposit Outfitters, I don’t care either way it’s huge!!

Well that didn’t take long.

It was a hell of a place before the fence. Not sure why they fenced it

Guy owns a trucking company south of there, LSU fans.

Beautiful place

Post said free range but I don’t know personally.

Damitboy !

Why two locks on the Yeti cooler?

Awesome buck

Free range in the big pen.

Well if he is a pen deer that changes everything. There are lot of posts these days claiming free range but they are pen deer. But what's sad is some of these folks think that free range or pen , it doesn't matter. But it matters tremendously !

Congrats to the hunter, lifetime buck!

That's a goodun.

There is a youtube video on Fort Deposit Outfitters that explains their setup..watched about the first thirty seconds.....two separate parcels of 400 and 600 acres. Deer are separated with one group being Canadian genetics and the other northern genetics. Ho Hum....next

Yeah

Cause those are his Natty Lights and you can’t have any.

His and his locks probly.

Because Lowndes County thieves laugh at only one lock.

That’s a big one !

Anybody got the number to outfitter

Goodun!!

Freakin bruiser!

WOW! What a hoss! Congratulations to the hunter!


Just read all the posts about it’s a pen deer. Still congratulations to the hunter.

A brute.

Aw man I was hoping it was a wild deer. Gotta keep them Yetis locked up haha. My old cooler keeps the brew cold and nobody wants to steal it haha.

No comment.

Does the 400 acre pen qualify as a little pen and the 600 acre pen qualify as a big pen?

I'm in sales and I sure would like to run up on some of these guys who can't tell the difference in real vs.not so real ! Don't get me wrong. If you want to shoot a deer in a pen ,have at it. With the way some of our hunting is I can see why a guy might go to a pen. As a matter of fact I have a buddy who has invited me to his penned area and shoot one. But if I did don't go to congratulating me like I was some kind of Geronimo and pulled off a great deed !

Difference between fencing property and bein a deer breeder, purty deer none the less

Anyone verified it’s a pen deer yet?

Well if it is a pen deer that changes the perspective.

Well if it is a pen raised deer not sure why the county would even be relevant in the post headline. I had conversation over breakfast this morning about this deer and now I come back to see it may be a pen raised high fence whatever you want to call it, deer.

Looks like the deer has had a tag in its ear at some point

We'll all be hunting pen deer before too long.

According to some folks I've heard: "Deer in pens are just as hard to hunt as wild deer".

I wonder if they're as "hard to kill" as pen-raised quail?

May have low fenced it to keep all the damn free ranging dogs out. As long as breeder raised deer weren't introduced, who cares? Deer can jump fences and come and go as they please. My cousin had an 80 acre coyote pen to run his dogs in. Deer would jump the fence all the time. They were still wild deer.

Deer was killed near Hayneville.

Near Hayneville in a high fence or wild?

Free range is what I'm told.

I hunt near Hayneville. I guess it's possible. That would be an exceptional Lowndes Co. deer, but not out of the question, There's a high fence operation near there too.

Hayneville is in the flatous region of Lowndes county.

thats a great buck. what i have been wanting all my life.

I used to hunt in Mt Willing.

Looks like a free range Buck Deer

Big deer in Lowndes county,not surprised if it was free range.

Guess that settles the issue. Great deer.

What's the #1 in Lowndes and who killed it?

Hell yea great to here it was actually free range. Easily the best deer kill I've seen this year. Congrats to Robert.

Jimmy Judge killed a nontypical on Judge road that was #3 statewide. I assume thats the buck that beats it.

He's long arming it !!!!

Done some work on judge rd, big deer in that area

Speaking of insane lease prices......

Congratulations to Robert! What a great deer!

Awesome deer congrats to the hunter.

There are several high fences around hayneville. One local had a small pen and raised / let out boocoo northern deer in the area as it has been told too me by a lifetime local. Most of the big deer I am aware of that have been killed within close proximity of the former small pen. The highfence on scretty road had a fence get washed out via flood a couple years ago. It may have been free range but the torn ear sure is SUSPECT.

I guess they never tear an ear fighting. Looks like this one my nephew killed in Picken County last year is suspect.

It does,

And it is a shame that some people always raise a question about someone else's big buck once the pictures
of the deer are posted on the internet.

Apparently he withdrew it from the whitetail records? Not trying to stir the pot just saw that he withdrew it for some reason.

Hmmm....

I can only think of one reason for it to be withdrawn.

Damn. More drama. Does anybody know the hunter? I wish he would come on here and tell us about the hunt. I remember bucks that big in the area in the seventies when there was an abundance of soybean fields.

Do pens have buck sanctuaries, daisy chsin locks on the yeti.....damn.

Well apparently there is some post on Facebook by Alabama whitetail records that this deer was NOT free range

Yea I seen the Alabama whitetail records and it’s saying it was from the fort deposit outfitters high fence. I don’t understand why people can’t just be honest. You know a deer like that is going to get the attention of a lot of people and the truth will come out

I guess some people just want you to think they are great hunters

Well that sucks!

Only thing I can think of as to why it was withdrawn was high fence or an illegal kill (or allegations of)

But, there are some big ass deer in lowndes county so I won’t discredit it could be free range. Slit in the ear is strange but could be from a fight (as ironic as that would be)

well chitt.

What an idiot.

I retract my earlier remarks. Good grief.

I seen in the comments where he isn’t allowed to ever enter a deer now

I thought it was strange that AWR said they could verify that it was free range by just holding the antlers and scoring it.

A douche and his money have now had their 15 minutes of Fame.

Polygraph, would eliminate all drama related to these things. Never seen much questioning of bass tourney results. Been questioning of every big deer ever killed.

They have been sum bass tourney cheaters get busted round here

That deer ain't nothin compared to the free range genetics in the mountainous area of Pelham.

Stupid.

Good grief!! What a goober...

The mountains of Pelham say “Hi”

Jesus Christ what a friggin Mickey Mouse show. That dude deserves some flogging for letting g that deer get all the way into the record books, just to be taken away

That's the whole point,of polygraph, dudes got busted before declared winners.

Polygraph would eliminate all the bull doo too. No, he shot at night, no he shot it over corn, no, he shot off the road, no he shot it on another fellers place and on and on

I've gotten to the point that I'm just completely skeptical whenever
I see one of these posts because of stuff like this.

Ole gloryhound !stuff like this makes me keep my deer pics to myself even though they’re legal .

If the big deer walks out 2 foot outside the big pen with shooter waiting will he qualify for Alabama scoring system or does he have to walk around for a couple of days?

Yes sir...unless I know the person, I am always skeptical to big deer pics and how they were really killed.

I don’t think that would qualify as “fair chase”

Makes u wonder if any more made it to the books

Here's an honest question. Why would someone claim that a deer that was killed in an enclosure on a pay hunt as being a free-range deer?? Most of those bucks are cataloged with pics on them on the high fence's website for advertising. I mean it is just stupid. Word will get out. Is a day of internet fame worth losing your reputation for life? I just do not understand this mentality and it seems to be a common occurrence that replays itself on here year after year.

It's been going on well before the internet. At least that is what Owen Walton and Mitch Rompallo told me.

As far as a polygraph, I once failed one and I was telling the truth. It was part of a hiring process for a job but I was still hired. One question they said that was coming back as being untruthful on I was telling the truth. Doesn't matter now but I don't trust them after that.

Polygraph are not full proof, but I would say, best option they have to cut down on all the drama associated with big bucks

Me too. I’m genuinely happy for any hunter that kills a big buck and want to congratulate them on their success. Plus it gets me motivated to be a better hunter. But here lately just seems like a lot of drama and it’s brought on by the hunter himself by not being honest and forthright with the hunting community.

I'd say you can start wondering about the "hunter" when he has a staged professional photo and is not even looking into the camera but rather is staring into the distance with the glory of his mind...

In the area that it was reported I have friends and friends of friends that own a large amount of that area and the deer was not from their land or neighbors so yeah I was skeptical and my buddies just flat out when they saw the pic within 5 seconds said it was high fence.

Do any of y'all think that trophy hunting has become so much, the be all,and end all thing in deer hunting. That and people's competitive drive has contributed to the drama we see unfold. Should there even be a record book

What a dumbass. He knew that buck wasn’t free range n still entered it. He otta have his ass whooped for that

Owen Walton...now there's a name I haven't heard in many years. Remember reading about his "new record buck" in Alabama Game and Fish as a teen, and being amazed. Didn't hear until years later that it was a fake. No internet back then, of course.

I wonder if anyone from this site actually knows him?

Wasnt that the guy who shot / poached his deer in Georgia and told every product name for last second shot for Alabama record?

Of course the dumbest has to be a tie for the dude that poached the bham zoo deer and then took it in to qualify for the Alabama Record Book and the idiot that broke thru Newell'S Fence on Bell Road in Montgomery and killed the huge pet deer; that was his 3rd strike as a felon and he got LIFE IN JAIL.

Walton was shed antlers he stole in Ga....or so said because the rack came up missing. He claimed to have killed it in Macon Co. Al. the best I recall.

Crazy what some people will do for the spotlight

Owen Walton...now there's a name I haven't heard in many years. Remember reading about his "new record buck" in Alabama Game and Fish as a teen, and being amazed. Didn't hear until years later that it was a fake. No internet back then, of course.

I wonder if anyone from this site actually knows him?


Nah. He borrowed a set of sheds from a buddy in Georgia, then told the buddy that the sheds got stolen. Two or three years later, the sheds showed up on a mount that Owen claimed to have killed. Guy busted him because there were a couple of scoring marks from a disc on the rack, where he ran over it with a tractor when he found the sheds.

I would hope knowing one would be required would be a deterrent. But you know how people are. I will never take another one because of my bad experience and knowing I was telling the truth. But it's their club and their rules and if you want in then play by the rules. I'm no threat of having to take a polygraph with them with a record book deer anyway.

You've been around it daily for many, many years. You know it's not the same. Better or worse?? Depends on personal perspective and age. Im 51 so I've seen alot over the last 40+ years. I will never be in another club and will only hunt by myself. Too much drama (and competition) for me or at least it has always been to me. If I take someone hunting i don't hunt. This has been the best for me.

I won't take a poly for simple fact that I'm a nervous fk as it is, so i would probably fail screw that

Hurricane Michael blew down alot of high fences in southeast Alabama, north Florida and southwest Georgia, I wonder if this affects the record books?

Hmm, whitetail record guys little resistant,to polygraph, they say cost prohibitive. So, far, hunters seem somewhat resistant to that idea. Surprising really, makes you wonder

It's tough,but Stupid can be fixed.

Thanks to everyone who helped rat out this idiot. Sick of this crap. Anybody know this guy?

Breeder buck from a high fence down that way is what I was told.

Alabama whitetail records have rejected it as an entry.

What some ppl won't do for attention and recognition. What an idiot!!! Scumbag!!! Dude, you're a POS trying to pull a nasty one over all us deer hunters.

No sympathy for you man!!!!!!!!!!!! Simply put, you're a POS!

Owen Walton was a fake. Nikon even sponsored him before he got exposed. A good friend of mine bought a Nikon scope after Walton's "kill" and boy did I have some fun with my friend! Now, here's a question. Do these high fence deer get reported to Game Check? Deer hunting fakes are nothing new, it just does not take as long to expose them.

Wow, that guy should be embarrassed and ashamed. He’s got a chit eatin’ Grin anyways.

I read that the deer had a name. SMDH. Wonder how much it cost?

My statement from 1/26/19. ^^^^

Anytime you see a HUGE buck and a $3K gun and the hunter wearing $1K worth clothing and gear, you can just about guarantee that it's a 'high fence' kill.

Wonder how much that guy paid to pump up his ego?

Not impressed at all now that the truth has been revealed.

I carry a $2k+ rifle, some fairly pricey gear, and wear nice camo. Does that mean all of my bucks are high fence? We’ve got five strands of barbwire around our place if that counts.

Tell me again the pride I should feel when I kill a pen-raised "trophy" buck? Where the smell of a human means an apple or a pear to eat?

Keith Warren and his Deer and Wildlife Stories on YouTube. GMAB! He should call it Deer and Tamelife Stories.

I know it's legal but, IMO, and it's my opinion as well as most, whitetail deer were not meant to be commercialized like cows.

I'd rather shoot a free-range 4 yr old 120" in the swamps than a 200" pen-raised.

I don't know. Show us some HUGE buck pics and I'll give you my opinion.

I just watched a Primos video. It takes those guys MANY hours of filming to capture a decent kill. I watched one of the Primos guys bow hunting the swamps off the MS River. They shot a decent mature buck and I loved watching it! That's hunting. That's The Truth and it's Free-Range deer.

Shots fired!

Us hunters are our own worst enemy.

I missed the part where it said HUGE, best I can get are BIG bucks

X2

How many sponsors you got?

High fence hunters don't have the skills to get it done fair chase. That's why.

I’ve already formed second opinions on those who thought this deer was free range.

U know what opinions r like?

why would YOU think it wasn't? Too big?

Some of my guns are worth 3K or more, but have not been used in a high fence...

I guess you can tell free range from high fence or you don't think deer get that big in Bama or Lowndes county? I M curious as to how you can tell.

He could tell it wasn't free range because in all his years hunting he's never seen or come close to one even within 70 inches of that deer.

5 isn't high, 6 is.

What an absolute ass. I've seen that guy or someone that looks an aweful lot like him somewhere before.

Most of these types aren't even hunters, which is why they are dumb enough to think their 6,000 dollar deer actually is a new record. They haven't hunted long enough to even understand the difference in free range v. breeder facility. And the guides at these high fences really put the sales pitch to them, talking about what an awesome hunter they are, how that buck has been the hardest to hunt, and how it's the biggest deer they have ever seen killed anywhere in that area. The guy's rifle looks brand new and his name brand high dollar hunting clothes look brand new. I guarantee you the high fence guides put such a show on for him that he legitimately believed he had killed the county record and sent it off to the record books. You think the high fence guide is going to turn around and tell him his $6,000 buck is ineligible for the record book since it is nothing more than livestock?

Not a single one. I just worked at a gun store and got really good discounts during the time of my life when I also had very few bills.

The cut in the ear is suspect that it had a tag. That’s clue number one. Now I’m not saying a deer can’t cut it’s ear in a natural way, it’s just a hint that deer a tag. I’ve hunted Lowndes my whole life. Deer like that were taken regularly in the 80s when everyone was planting soybeans. I just haven’t seen many huge deer like that since. The amount of high fence operations have is staggering in Lowndes.

I just came to the conclusion it was a high fence deer based on that. We all have external factors that affect our opinions and those were mine. I could care less is someone shot a deer in high fence or not. Frankly, I could give 2 chits about deer hunting. I like to go watch the deer, take my kids, and eat venison. And I can tell you, I’ve seen bigger deer than that on hoof in Aransas from a duck hole. I just thought it was funny all you guys getting butthurt over someone else’s opinion because it’s different than yours.

Not butthurt u said u formed opinions of people on this site that thought it was free range...what kinda opinion did u form for the less intelligent people on here

The buck I killed saturday before season ended had an ear cut in two places, almost tore off. My question is if he was gona go pay to kill a deer and lie about it, why didnt he kill a big one? Pen deer these days go over 200inches on their first rack.

Pen deer don't interest me at all. Had a guy at the camp this season bragging about a 140ish 10 pt he killed in Texas. O asked if it was free range. He said " well it's a high fence operation but it's like 10k acres". I just change the subject and the guy got all butt hurt because we didn't want to hear about his big deer. To each their own.

I hunt multiple properties in Texas, some free range, some not. I can tell you from personal experience that there is very little difference, if any at all, in hunting free range deer and hunting high fence once you get over about 1800 acres inside the fence, and once you pass 3000 acres, any perceived difference is gone.

We have seen a buck chased by a coyote jump a high fence. I will also add that there are very few places in South Texas brush country and the Hill Country that you could find 10,000 acres without a high fence impacting it in some way. I hunt a 2500 acre low fence place where the neighbors high fenced 2 full sides, and a 5500 acre low fence parcel with one full side an part of a second high fence. It's really almost everywhere.

You may agree or disagree, but the small fence operations, less than 400 acres, really aren't hunting. There is no way to sustain the population. Once you get to the big units, 2500+ acres, especially the ones with no supplemental breeding, the deer are as wild as they are anywhere I have hunted in Alabama.

UncleHuck, I understand what you are saying and if you enjoy hunting in a fence more power to ya. It just doesn't interest me at all. I'm not saying that is I was invited to hunt in a large enclosure that I wouldn't go, I'm saying I wouldn't go around showing off and bragging about a deer that had been raised in a "pen" no matter the size. I know it's big business in Texas and I'm happy for them but it's just not for me. But I'm not going to put a person down for hunting in a fence, just don't come bragging to me about a deer that was killed in it.

Regarding cut ears of mature bucks... if you kill a 4+ yr old buck, it would be unusual for him not to have one or both ears cut. I have seen some older mature bucks that have been killed that hung out by themselves (not a bachelor group) nor chased does and didn't lose their velvet until late. They've either had one testicle or no testicles and perfect ears, which makes sense about the bucks' chosen lifestyle. Low T!!

Anyway, I do believe that deer in a large enough enclosure are very hard to hunt. But these purchased bucks that are intended to be shot and are purchased TO BE SHOT and they just hang out and aimlessly mill about looking for an apple, is nothing to brag about. I would not do it.

A 140 10 pt. in Texas ain't nothing special. A 140 10 pt. high fence buck ain't worth even talking about. You can't trust a man who would shoot a fenced in animal anyway.

I'm not butthurt either but your cut ear theory is a bunch of crap. I believe that every mature buck I've ever killed has had a cut or torn ear or ears I guess they were all escaped pen deer who removed the tags themselves.

What does John Travis have to say about all this?

Looks like the place this deer came off of is for sale now.

https://jonkohler.com/property/alabama/fort-deposit-outfitters/fort-deposit-outfitters-galleries/

Been on the market for a while now.

All you gotta do is stroke a check...

That might be taking it a little far..

It would be cool if skinny would take the aldeer proceeds and buy that place and let us hunt it

An ALDEER hunting club would be an absolute chit show between the "Let em grow" guys and the spike shooters and between the master hunters and master baiters.

there is no difference in a 10,000 acre managed high fence and a 10,000 acre managed no fence place as far as hunting is concerned. Anybody that says different is full of chitt.

Same here; maybe why I can't afford a high fence hunt; if I wanted to, which I don't

I am always amazed at the folks here who have never been on a high fence ranch at all, much less on a hunt, who seem to know all about them.

I've never been in a high fence. We have a few thousand acres we run cattle on. So I understand the concept

Dilly dilly

The way so many folks are worried about what others are shooting and how their neighbors might shoot "their" deer, I'd be surprised if high fence hunting doesn't become more popular than it already is.

There are hundreds of high fence operations in Alabama.

I have absolutely no issues with a high fence operation. I think you will see more and more of them in the future, in particular in Alabama, simply because if you want to manage your deer you can't otherwise. The season and bag limits are too liberal. The required amount of real estate you would need in order to manage your deer under our current system is out of most rich people's price range and it's too much work. In particular if they just want to show up and hunt. They spend that money on a smaller tract, less maintenance and more money to move some good deer inside the fence, and pay a couple hands to work it.

That being said... I don't care how many acres and how tall the fence is.... you are shooting livestock at that point. I know someone that's got a couple thousand fenced and you pull up to the gate and many times there are deer standing on the other side. You punch in the key code. The gate opens and you drive on in. Deer still standing there. I usually stop the truck and let the gate close just behind me because I'm afraid one is going to run out and then I'm going to be the guy who let the deer run out and never hear the end of it.... "Remember that time ____ let the big shooter buck run out the front gate.... blah, blah, blah."

High fence operations are great for a few different groups of hunters: 1) The guy that can't grow anything bigger than a basket rack because his neighbors shoot everything they see - 2) A guy like Luke Bryan and 3) Everyone else that has no freaking clue how to hunt deer without the use of a food plot and/or feeder (most of you who are reading this).

Just for discussion. 10,000 acres is 15.6 square miles. For arguments sake let’s say it’s a 4mile by 4 mile square. Is it not unheard of for bucks in the rut to travel longer distances than 4 miles to find a doe? Would a fence not make a significant difference on bucks that you’ve fed and managed not leaving during the rut and being shot by neighbors?

And have been for years. These big pens are nothing new.

Hell, i'm thinking about fencing in my place. If for no other reason, to keep these damn free ranging dogs that these dumbasses say they love, but wont keep them on their property.

I would love to have 3-5000 acres high fence somewhere in Alabama just to see what could grow here with native genetics.

Maybe not, but the vast majority of fenced in properties are much smaller than 10,000 contiguous acres. I've hunted a 1,600 acre property that was a petting zoo. Never seen that in the wild...

only way deer on 1600 acres were tame was they were bottle raised in small pens and released on the 1600.

My opinion is you would be very dissapointed

You might grow some decent 8 pointers. I think Alabama deer have a lot more potential than we give them credit for but nothing like what you would want if you went to the expense to high fence a place.


1600 acres ain't crap. I've seen cow pastures that were 2 squares with no cross fence. I could run around that for my morning workout. It's a big pen but it's still a pen at that size. Having been on several places I would say you need 3,000+ before the deer are skittish of human scent scared of the truck and/or run from humans snorting and carrying on. Minimum.

I'm not knocking it there are just not many operations that big... and why I have no interest in hunting on a smaller one.

I would say the vast majority of the high fenced areas I've seen in Alabama are 300-600 acres. Some as small as 40 acres and a few that were over a 1000 acres.

I disagree. I mean yeah you wouldn't get the 200+" freaks that you see advertised on the fenced hunts. But a lot of Alabama deer could be pretty nice if they weren't gunned down as 2 year olds and had access to decent nutrition.

You're right.

Southern Falls (Peavy's place) is a good example of native AL deer fenced in and allowed to grow. They kill some really nice deer, but nothing I've seen would I call "monsters."

Theys a difference between deer breeders high fence operation and extreme wildlife and or trophy management...most folks cant afford the fence much less the land to put it around...if you could afford 10k acres...and a high fence around it...and you could afford to control most all property and wildlife management aspects to keep the land in pristine condition...you could slowly control invasive species, reestablish native grasses, have an effective burn rotation with well maintained fire breaks...i mean,..why not? Grid the property off and really focus and take time to improve the animals social structure and give them what they need to flourish...and not to mention serious high volume predator control...and attempt to stand a decent chance of keepin douche bags from raping and pillaging land illegally. Yes you could do all this without a fence but after you spent all that time and money...why would you want to throw it all away so your redkneck neighbor billy joe bob shoot the first spike i see guy...SHOOTS THE FIRST SPIKE HE SEES!!....im poh tho...so my argument is worthless....i will say that ive seent the above work extremely well in texas...and by george them deer was wild down there...they just really like corn....you better have some deep pockets tho..and a few millyuns want cut it...you gon need lotsa millyuns..dilly dilly

I read an article years ago about Texas deer management. One of the owners said their operating costs were $75-85 per acre. This was several years ago...

I get to hunt a 5000 acre low fence place near Laredo and a 2700 acre high fence near Freer. Neither is a guarantee, but I get an invite most years to one or the other.

Neither have stocked deer, just supplemental protein and corn for the natives.

I have not seen any variance in the behavior of the deer between the high and low fence places. If you make noise, they haul boogie away from you, and you hunt with the blind windows closed if temps will allow. Both try to have the blinds at least 150 yards from the feeder pen, further if possible.

that number would be low for most places now i think...its rediculous what some people are willing to pay for pine goats an them squigly things comin outah their head...id personally rather live like a pirate in the carribean an catch yahoos an melrlins

I hunted a lot in the midwest and Canada earlier in my life, and have some really big bucks on the wall as a result. I now have zero interest in doing it anymore.

I get a lot more satisfaction in killing good bucks off of and managing my own property, or our club's property...something I had a hand in.

Agree with your disagreement, a lot of no fence large acreage places kill 150”+ deer every year, just from low pressure and selective shooting

Of course there are going to be a few deer that would be decent, thats not really what I meant. We have some pretty decent deer on our lease with very little pressure but have a the few that are killed that barely make our minimum but are aged at 4 to 5 years old. I guess it would be interesting if the money were no issue. If I had that kind of money I would buy a couple of farms in Kansas and Iowa though.

This is why I have my 5000 acres high fenced in.
Killed off half the native deer then imported 100 deer from Iowa, 100 from Illinois, 100 from Kansas and 100 from Alberta.