CWD Found in Alabama / Tennessee line

Anyone heard anything about this? CWD found in some that have been killed. Within miles of
Colbert and lauderdale county. ( northwest corner ) on the county line to Hardeman county Tennessee. Will be a matter of time before it’s for sure found in Alabama. If it doesn’t already exist and we just haven’t found it yet in anyone’s kills.

What if it's in Walmart Corn? LOL

Not that it matters but Hardeman county isn’t in the state line

Oops. I meant to say Hardin county.

I’m guessing the infected Tennessee deer won’t cross the state line into Alabama. Just like mountain lions and bears don’t.


Seriously it’s just a matter of time before some non compliant deer hunting jackass screws it up for the rest of us.

We have a CWD border wall

Are you talking about the 10 confirmed and three more believed to be positive that was announced more than a week ago?

http://www.aldeer.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2673310#Post2673310


Or something newer?

With three confirmed in Miss. and now Tenn. I’m afraid it might already be here.

Eleven more deer in Tennessee have tested positive for CWD with prelim tests. Awaiting confirmation. If confirmed this would make 24 discovered in the same area.

https://www.tn.gov/content/tn/twra/...e-in-fayette-and-hardeman-counties-.html

Jay Gregory. Posted this on FB.


For all of you sitting the fence on CWD, ponder this!!

For the first two weeks of January In the expanded CWD ZONE in Southern Minnesota! (About 1000 square miles)
Anyone from any state with permission from a land owner can go to Minnesota and kill as many deer as you can kill no limit and do it for free. WITH a rifle...(in zones that are shotgun only in the regular gun season)
And you don’t have to wear hunter orange!!

Recap- with landowner permission, shoot as many deer as you want buck or doe,at no cost. With a rifle!

COMING TO A STATE NEAR YOU!!! Wake up people!!!!
www.dnr.state.mn.us/cwd/dpa-346-special-cwd-hunt.html

No results from the testing in Hackleburg yet??

It just happened Saturday. Doubt results are that quick to show up. But I could be wrong too

This is what scares me the most. If they find it here, they will have this special season where you just kill all the deer you see. And idiots will do it because they think its fun. I hop it is never found in our area.

That just doesn't seem plausible that it was not there one day, next day 24 cases. Are these random samplings from deer donated by hunters or are they state selected/killed? I guess I am asking how the deer are collected in TN

If it does end up here and I figure it will at some point, how many of you will still process / eat your kills?

I will. Just don’t see any evidence not to

I will. You do t get your same deer at the processor anyway

The Alabama Department of Conservation and Natural Resources is increasing Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD) sampling surveillance efforts in northwest Alabama after deer in nearby Mississippi and Tennessee counties tested CWD-positive. CWD is a contagious and deadly neurological disorder that affects members of the deer family. To date, no deer in Alabama have tested positive for CWD.

The Division of Wildlife and Freshwater Fisheries (WFF) will conduct a voluntary CWD-sampling station Jan. 12-13 in Waterloo, Alabama, in Lauderdale County.

The sampling station in Lauderdale County will be set up in the parking lot of Waterloo Fire Station #1, 6390 County Road 14, Waterloo, AL 35677.

Deer may be brought to Waterloo for sampling during the following dates and times:

Saturday, January 12 from 9 a.m. to 7 p.m.
Sunday, January 13 from 10 a.m. to 2 p.m.

Deer harvested in Franklin, Marion, Lamar, Lauderdale and Colbert counties are being targeted, but biologists will sample deer from surrounding counties as well. Sampling involves removing the retropharyngeal lymph nodes from the head of a deer. Hunters may bring in a whole deer, field-dressed deer, or just the head from the harvested animal. Collecting a sample from a harvested deer takes only a few minutes.

Since 2002, WFF has relied on the assistance of hunters who have volunteered their harvested deer for CWD surveillance sampling. WFF is again seeking the assistance of hunters to help conserve Alabama’s natural resources by taking their harvested deer to the Hackleburg or Waterloo CWD-sampling stations. All hunters who volunteer their harvested deer for sampling will receive the CWD surveillance test result.

To learn more about CWD and to get information on future public sampling sites, visit www.outdooralabama.com/cwd.

NW AL is screwed. What are they going to do when they find it in State?

They've got a whole action plan. It's long. Happy reading....

Destroying half the deer population to stop a disease that would only kill a fraction as many if left alone should be a good way for them to milk federal money for a good long while.

Kill off the deer herd with sharpshooters and extend the season. The DNR will ruin deer hunting. This disease has been around for 50 years!!!!!

What are you even talking about?

Why not just follow other states that have dealt with it for years?Iowa has CWD and still has awesome hunting. I don’t think Alabama DNR is going to come up with a better plan based on there past decisions.

No ONE will step foot on my farm but me. I can promise you.

That will work 257 I'll sit in the passenger seat and you can get the gates and hold the light.... (dusting off the ole 7400 as I type).

I gave it a speed read... I especially liked the part under "Why we are concerned" that stated , and I'm paraphrasing here,.... they don't really know what the impact on the deer population would be.

Pure Genius. I guess nobody thought to study or at least look into what the impact has been in other States. These are your tax dollars at work. If you don't know hail choot'em right?

I will not eat any deer from a confirmed positive area. Its not about the deer its about human impact. The positive results are about uniformly distrubuted as you possibly draw... WOW!

Overreacting is first thing they will do.

Where did you get half 95 percent Killem before they die They say every deer that gets cwd will die Guess what every deer will die under these rules How do you know what 95 percent is in nthe wild

Welp, there's been at least 1 more confirmed case in TN....some friends of ours with land in Fayette Co got a call from their processor a couple of days ago that one of their deer had come back with a positive test result. They'd already picked up the meat and had given some away, so they're scrambling to get it back or make sure it's thrown out.

Why are they throwing it out? Not one shred of evidence has been presented that shows CWD can be transmitted to humans by eating meat.

Because they feel it's not worth the risk, no matter how small. And personally I agree. I wouldn't eat it myself and I certainly wouldn't feed it to my kids.

Shouldn't we'll cooked be fine? No one has died from CWD yet

Well, from what I've read temperature does not kill/remove it. Plus venison cooked more than medium isn't worth eating (and medium is pushing it)

heat won't kill the prions

I'd throw it away also.

This exactly part of the problem. CWD is a serious issue but the states current plan is equally bad and Chuckie has made it clear recently that he plans to do exactly what’s in the plan if found here and he will encounter significant resistance. Overall, the deer population will suffer from both the CWD and the states overreaction.

You can't kill the prions that cause the disease with cooking temperatures or fire.

But again, not a shred of evidence has been presented that shows consuming meat from a deer with CWD does anything.

Gotcha I wasn't sure on cooking.

Chronic Wasting Disease research out of Midwestern University has shed new light on how farmed deer could be bred to be more resistant to the disease.

The research, performed by Dr. Nicholas J. Haley, an assistant professor at the College of Veterinary Medicine at Midwestern University, found genetic traits in a small minority of deer that impart higher levels of resistance to CWD.

By expanding the prevalence of these traits through selective breeding, CWD resistance could grow among farmed deer, in the same way the sheep industry has successfully bred for scrapie resistant animals and has all but eliminated the disease in domestic sheep in North America over the last decade.

About 70 percent of deer have one or two copies of the 96G allele, which is considered the most susceptible to CWD. The 96S allele is less common (and more resistant to CWD than the 96G), with 20 percent of deer having one or two copies. The 116G, 95H, and 226K alleles are relatively rare and the most resistant to CWD-but less than 5-10 percent of deer have a single copy of any of these alleles.

It is very difficult to find deer with two copies of any of these three CWD-resistant alleles — but that would be the goal in order to breed for the most CWD-resistant herd.

A number of deer farmers within the industry are now trying to flip these ratios by breeding towards 96S, 95H, and 226K animals and breeding away from the more susceptible 96G animals, in the hope that their herds will face a lower risk of infection.

But we've all been told farmed fence deer are horrible

I saw that on Keith Warrens show last night Donald. Pretty interesting and very well may be the answer one day.

Is this the hunting version of global warming?

I mean, what is the worst case scenario? For some reason it feels vastly overblown.

The Midwest has recovered nicely from what I could see in IL.

Acid rain

Probably just common sense since it has been proven to kill deer, elk, moose, ferrets, pigs, spider monkeys, maque monkeys and humanized mice.

you do realize that one of the traits of the TSE group is that they are supposed to be species specific, that is they won't jump the species barrier to another species. Scrappie jumped to mule deer under very heavily contaminated conditions at Ft Collins. CWD is born and has proven to be the least species specific of the TSE group. It has jumped to Elk, Whitetails, Moose, Reindeer, and a host of others, including monkeys, in a lab setting. Keep in mind the incubation period of other human TSEs is very long, like 30-40 YEARS. Also there have been NO STUDIES to prove or disprove the ability of CWD to jump to humans by eating contaminated meat. Some of the monkeys in the lab did contract CWD by eating contaminated meat.

Damnifin I'd eat any suspect meat from a CWD zone.

These studies are interesting to bad our backwards ass state views the farms as enemies instead of allies. I know the majority of the ones I know would be glad to work with the state on a research type basis to better understand this. Instead they rather do a mass depopulation.

It has never been proven that it jumped from sheep to mule deer.

it did jump from sheep to mule deer and anyone who says it didn't is a damn liar. The biologists who discovered what the illness was in the deer said it did and she was the leading researcher on CWD in the world before her death in an auto accident.

Direct me to that research. I have read nothing that says it was proven. Speculation? Yes. Proven? No. How did the very first sheep get it? Could the sheep and mile deer both gotten from the same source?

I have read the Macaque paper and it is a very long stretch to say it jumped the species barrier based on that study. They took infected concentrated brain tissue and actually not only implanted it in the Macaque tissue in the brain but scratched the brain cells to make sure it had positive uptake. On the others they were feeding them as much as 25% of their total body weight per day in infected concentrated CWD brain tissue. This does not show it can "naturally jump" the barrier from natural means, only that it can live in a different host species under ideal conditions. Further only half of the Macaques in this study contracted the disease under this extreme set of circumstances.

CWD-info.org must be spreading bad info!

Scrapie, a TSE of domestic sheep, has been recognized in the United States since 1947, and it is possible that CWD was derived from scrapie. It is possible, though never proven, that deer came into contact with scrapie-infected sheep either on shared pastures or in captivity somewhere along the front range of the Rocky Mountains, where high levels of sheep grazing occurred in the early 1900s.

centralala, I've studied CWD since 1980, read everything there was to read on it starting back then. The "official line" has changed a lot since then to lie their way out of admitting that Colorado set the stage for the transmission of scrappy to deer at the Foothills Wildlife Research Station in 1965 er so. Beth Williams was one of the original research assistants involved in the studies. She said, in her early writings that deer were placed in pens that had held scrappy infected sheep. She had no reason to lie. Co now denies that it happened. Williams went on to earn he Doctorate and discovered that the "strange illness" that befell the deer in the pens was a TSE disease(scrappie). Williams said in one of her later papers that "she feared that they(the researchers at FT Collins) had set the stage for a new disease in deer. She was at the time the worlds leading researcher on CWD.

Anyone who studied CWDs origins and spread can come to only one conclusion....that CWD had its birth at FT Collins Co in 1965-67. Researchers in the early 80s backtraced every infected deer in the US and Canada directly or indirectly back to Ft Collins. The researchers at Ft Collins had released deer back into the wild just north of Ft Collins. Take a look at any current map of CWD outbreaks and notice the red hot zone just north of Ft Collins.

you don't think that something on the internet could be wrong for whatever motive.

That was from a Dr. Elizabeth Williams paper, a pathologists who found the brain liesions associated with CWD. Why would she lie? Who were you refering to that proved it went from sheep to deer? I would like to read here also.

I'm just asking to show me the info. I want to read where it went from sheep to deer and proven.

In “THE MACQUE MONKEY STUDY”, as in the one that everyone one is raising a big fuss about, the meat fed to the macaques represented the human equivalent of eating a 7-ounce steak per month not 25% of their body weight in brains.

So just to be clear the equivalent of A SEVEN OUNCE STEAK PER MONTH killed monkeys in THE MAQUE MONKEY study. I believe 3/5 had died so far at the time those findings were posted. They Weren’t done with the study yet as I recall but that was so alarming they had to get it out.

Let me be clear, all I know is what I've read. And I've read a ton on it. I welcome something different from what I've read. I have found some discrepancies between states in some readings. Nothing major. But to say they are lying as a cover up leads me to believe that is not the only lie. So, what else are we being lied to about CWD.

Come again?

The first case of CWD was seen in 1967 in a captive mule deer at the Foothills Wildlife Research Station (operated by the Colorado Dept. of Wildlife) in Ft. Collins and was attributed then by station employees to close confinement of deer to former (scrapie) sheep pasture or to horizontal transmission from sheep allowed into the pens. The shortest known incubation time in deer is 17 months, dating the exposure back to 1965-66 or earlier. Surplus does were released back into the wild after fawning in the facility; the first case in free-ranging wild deer was seen in 1981. Other infected animals were shipped to zoos (Denver, Toronto, Laramie), game farms, and similar research facilities in Colorado and Wyoming.

exactly. First sick deer(CWD) found IN the research pens. Infected deer were shipped to those named locations AND some released back into the wild north of Ft Collins.

CJD (the human prion desease) is suppose to have an infection rate of one in a million. I know 3 people in Central Alabama who have died from CJD in the last 3 years. Autopsy confirmed . I’m not at all saying there is any evidence it came from deer, just saying I think it is a much bigger problem than people think. It affects people like rapid onset dementa or Alzheimer’s. Got to have an autopsy to be sure of diagnosis. They are reluctant to do that because frankly it’s dangerous

It's been a good discussion and I appreciate all the feedback. 2 things for sure is it will always kill the individual deer but has never wiped out a herd. That never wiped out a herd is a big misconception that I had myself. I thought when CWD hits all the deer die. I think a lot of the casual hunters believe this. It's bad, we don't need it, but it's not the end of deer.

There is absolutely nothing I do or not do that is a direct threat of spreading this disease. Not that is known or speculated as spreading it at the moment anyway.

One thing that I keep going back to is how the very first animal got it? I've read the term "spontaneous naturally" several times as a possibility on how some animals get it. I just don't how this can not be true, especially with the very first animal. And if it happened once, surely it can happen again.

The new law says they will kill 95 percent of the deer in that 25 mile circle around where the deer was found, there will be no more hunting there for years because they will have wiped out the deer herd

The new law says they will kill 95 percent of the deer in that 25 mile circle around where the deer was found, there will be no more hunting there for years because they will have wiped out the deer herd

What new "law" are you talking about?

Specifics, please.

Come again? Is this some contest to plant the most misconception? How much are they paying you to dribble together random nonsense? Who are you even replying to?

Which hasn’t worked anywhere else but Alabama will be the first

https://www.ars.usda.gov/research/publications/publication/?seqNo115=317901

Well, I wasn't replying to your dumbass. Now explain what misconception

You better go pull the paper as well as the power point presentation givin at the conference and do some reading your self. The fine print tells a different story as a matter of fact the National Institute of Health publicstion in March of 2018 that CWD showed no transmission in Macqaues in the 13 year study.
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/new...asting-disease-transmissibility-macaques
I will find my old post that I wrote right after reading it and pull the numbers.

Here is another review of the same study with some scepticism
https://www.myewa.org/blog/fake-chronic-wasting-disease-cwd/

TWRA board met Thursday and today in Memphis. Part of today's presentation was an update on the CWD situation.

The board (and public) were told more than 4,800 deer have been tested, with 62 positives in Fayette and Hardeman counties.

YOU need to go pull the study that shows where the equalivent of a SEVEN OUNCE STEAK per month resulted in Macque monkey infection. The study you linked to found no infection after oral exposure to FOUR GRAMs of brain material ( doses of .8grams spread out over a couple week. I am not too concerned about 4 grams of brain material. Iam concerned about the fact that Macque monkeys fed the equivalent of a seven ounce steak per month over something like three years (so what, 15 pounds of meat, 6800 grams) infected them. After all, that’s a lower amount of meat than most deer hunters consume.

I did! See that’s the problem with calling someone out who actually has read in detail the papers as well as the supporting documents and oral presentations. Slide 14/34 in the attached presentation test subjects AU316, AU385, and AU501 were fed “5kg repeatedly” hence my comment that they were fed 25% of their body weight multiple times you pull the slide and tell me that isn’t what it says. Also there are some discussion that they were also fed Macquarie meat from the ones that had been directly injected in the brain.
https://www.cste2.org/Webinars/files/CWD_Slides_FINAL.pdf

So as to your 7 ounce comment they do not define repeatedly in the study but do call out 5kg being injested by Macquas repeatedly who according to wiki have an average weight of 7.7kg. So that would be equivalent to eating 125lbs of raw brain and muscle tissue by an average male “repeatedly” or 64% of the Macquas average body weight of raw infected Brian and muscle tissue. So the 7 ounce steak comparison is way off.

So how many of y'all saying there's no human health concerns would eat beef from a bse infected cow?

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The problem is that first you said it was a very long stretch that CWD could jump the species barrier and you made it seem like the test was impractical because the macque monkeys ate 25 percent of their body weight in infected brains. You left out the whole part about, you know, contracting the disease from EATING JUST THE MEAT, which is what people care about. The reality is that it’s no stretch at all considering that all they did was consume a large quantity of meat over time which is what most people do when they kill a deer.

I’m not sure how they came to the seven ounce per day calculation but that’s what the news articles cite. I’m sure you’ll be able to see their methodology when they publish the final study. In any event, using your figures would be the equivalent of a 200 lb man eating a 10 ounce steak every week for three years unless you really believe they fed 5 kg at a time to a 7.7 kg monkey repeatedly. John Candy could barely handle the ole 96er so I doubt a man-size maque monkey could do The ole 2000er. (125lbs x 16 ounces) Maybe i’m Wrong there but you have a look. https://youtu.be/gc_5tx7xRlg

I'm waiting on you to explain these misconceptions.

Individual deer get it die.
Herds have never been wiped out by the disease itself.
Some people believe it will wipe out the entire herd.
Nothing I'm currently doing will have an effect on the disease spreading.

That’s over 1%. Very high in my opinion. It would make me worried about eating one.

I said it’s a long stretch from natural contraction and it damn sure is the study plain states in the oral presentation 5kg repeatedly of raw infected tissue.. Further I wouldn’t be quoting information from the local news and defending it without reading the damn study my self. The oral presentation plainly states 5kg repeatedly. I assume they were delivering an “acute” injection trying to obtain maximum effect. My comparison is based off of the data not a damn news article where some “journalist” sensationalized misstated or straight out lied about the results.

As for the full results being published they never are only a subset of researcher drawn conclusions. These same researchers depend on the next study to fund them and their next crop of grad students and post docs so they have a vested interest in perpetuating the research ask me how I know.

I wouldn't be to sure about that They sneak in and go around deer farms and crawl over high fences

Bullschit they will

You read a POWER POINT, dear lord. Now, you say you listened to the presentation which you clearly didn't. It's ok. I went and did the legwork for you.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/spor...erns-human-susceptibility-cwd/430046001/

Here's a newspaper that links to the actual presentation, given by the actual researcher who says they fed them, and I'm quoting here:

"Muscle tissue, animals received 5 kilograms of muscle, the macques, over a period of two years, roughly 200g, eaten once a month".



That translates to a 7.05479 ounce steak, once a month, for two years gave the maques CWD.

Now, maybe they made it all up. I guess that's possible. Now that you mention it, that little old researcher lady looks the type. She probably doesn't even need those glasses. That's totally a fake swedish accent too.

HA, you know what I was talking about.

What are the symptoms of a CWD infected deer?

Yet again quote a third party news agency instead of reading it your self you are a genius! Requoting a newspaper instead of the actual work is not leg work. It’s ok I recently watched one of your class of geniuses quote a simulation output as data. Quoting a newspaper that references another news article must make it true i mean it’s the news lord knows CNN never embellishes one quoting the other just makes it a circular reference.

As for the lead researcher falsifying it either her briefing to a peer reviewed conference is wrong or the newspaper journalist isn’t wrong I know which my money is on. When I get to the office Monday I will ask for myself.

Basically, for the first 18-24 months they don't have any symptoms that you can see, then they start losing weight and all their bodily functions start to go till eventually they're walking around with their head down drooling. Here's a couple links to a buck and cow elk near the end game: Whitetail buck with CWD. Cow elk with CWD


Per the USGS:

"What are the visual signs of chronic wasting disease?

Chronic wasting disease (CWD) has an extended incubation period averaging 18–24 months between infection and the onset of noticeable signs. During this time frame animals look and act normal. The most obvious sign of CWD is progressive weight loss. Numerous behavioral changes also have been reported, including decreased social interaction, loss of awareness, and loss of fear of humans.Diseased animals also may exhibit increased drinking, urination, and excessive salivation."

You are making this very difficult. Luckily, I am a patient man. As I said, the newspaper article contains a LINK to the ACTUAL PRESENTATION that they based their article on, which is the presentation given by the ACTUAL RESEARCHER. You know, a video of what she actually said. Straight from the horses mouth as they say. Go look. Go watch the presentation.

You know what, I'm going to make this real easy. Here's the link to the actual presentation on the study which was given at the Prion 2017 Conference in Edinburgh: [video:youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/Vtt1kAVDhDQ[/video]You know what, i'm going to make it even easier. Click play. That's the little sideways triangle button at the bottom left of the screen. Now, it's a long video. A whole day's worth. Don't worry. Like I said, I did the legwork. Go to 1:36:56 / 8:25:25.

There's your quote, thereby resolving this whole scuffle between us irrefutably. The macaque monkeys got CWD from eating a tad bit more than a 7 oz steak, once per month, for two years.

Now, if you want to start a new scuffle, like say, the researcher looks like a 3 out of 10 when she is clearly a 7 then I am all for it. Now, to be fair, I guess that's a little subjective because some men, myself included, like their women a little older. Either way she's a solid 7 but you're probably gonna dispute that. Centralala probably will too. In which case, please direct me to research that she's not a 7.

I have no idea what you are talking about. I will ask you one more time to please explain what misconceptions you are talking about? And who are "they" that would be paying me? You are running your mouth, now put up or shut up.

You paint a rosy picture but it’s a fairytale. Payment was an exaggeration. CWD is going to ravage the whitetail deer herd in this country. It’s not going to be ok but there are things hunters can do to stave off the end. Fostering an attitude that this isn’t a big deal, deer will persevere, there’s nothing we can do, etc is only going to foster resistance to tHe measures that are going to be necessary to attempt to prolong CWD free hunting.

Show me where I said that it's no big deal and I'll Show you where I said it's a bad thing and we don't need it. Show me 1 time the disease itself has ravaged the deer herd. Now is your time to really shine here. Show me where I said any misconceptions.

I did, you just couldn’t see it.

Be specific. Spell it out. Say what it is. I'll say again, put up or shut up. Tell me what specifically i said was incorrect. This is your chance to really show your depth of knowledge on this subject.

But I'm afraid you had some misconcepeptions, you googled it, and found out you are wrong. Therefore, you will keep dodging the question of what specifically i said that was wrong. Then....we will know..... Rock has returned!

ya'll two go get a room.....

Since you have felt the need to comment I will also give you the chance to say which of the following comments are incorrect:

Individual deer that get cwd die.
A deer herd has never been wiped out by the disease itself.
Some people believe it will wipe out the herd.
Nothing I am currently doing will have an effect on the spread of the disease.

all true^^^^^^^^^^^

ya'll ain't argueing on the same page......

Well, put me on the right page because I really have no idea what the misconceptions I'm spreading he's refering to.

I didn't say I KNEW what page, just that ya'll ain't on the same one!

Well, at least I can challenge you and get an intelligent conversation back and good food for thought whether we agree or not. You can at least explain your answers. This guy cant.

Why do they worry about cwd when we loose hundreds or thousands to blue tongue and ehd ?? A few years ago along the Milk river and in Nebraska and in Alabama last year lost thousands, but Alabama game and fish said they don't care about our deer

Why do they worry about cwd when we loose hundreds or thousands to blue tongue and ehd ?? A few years ago along the Milk river and in Nebraska and in Alabama last year lost thousands, but Alabama game and fish said they don't care about our deer

pretty good point. EHD has killed 10000X the number of deer that CWD has. Every year, every where.

If EHD would have a greater impact on cattle there would already be a vaccine for it....

To me EHD does not have the threat of an impact on humans, those that eat infected deer that CWD MAY be proven to have. CWD has so far proven to be the most prolific "species barrier" jumper of any of the TSE family of diseases. I pray it will not be proven to jump to humans under normal conditions of hunting and venison consumption.

Two biggies:

1.) Disease transmission cycle: EHD can kill a lot of animals all at once but the herd recovers because the disease tramsission cycle is ‘broken’ when the midges that transmit the disease die off during the winter and by animals getting the virus and surviving thereby getting some immunity. It tends to kill in 5/10 year cycles. CWD on the other hand hasn’t really been shown to have a break in the disease transmission cycle. Animals get it, make more animals sick, and the prevalence rates are just worse and worse and worse. With EHD things get better in a couple years, with CWD it doesn’t. EHD is like a fever where for a few days everything sucks but you’re better. CWD is a slow cancer and it doesn’t look like there is going to be a cure. It will slowly get worse and worse and worse in areas that have the disease. Some areas of Wisconsin where the disease has been present since early 2000s have progressed from low prevalence rates to 40-50 percent prevalence rates in 2 1/2 year old or older bucks. In these areas very few bucks are going to be reaching their 4th birthday. They studied one mule deer herd in Wyoming and it is projected to go extinct in the next few decades. CWD is a downward spiral with no end in sight sort of thing.EHD is a rose in comparison.

2.) human health concerns - prion diseases have shown a remarkable ability to jump between mammal species due the similarity between our protein structures. Birds, fish and reptiles can’t get them, but between mammals, all bets are off. It’s really a free for all. They can also even go through one species to kill another. In one experiment they Fed or injected mice with cwd but they didn’t die. They fed those mice to ferrets and the ferrets died. They fed the ferrets to the original mice species and it killed them when it didn’t before. Crazy stuff.

I don't agree with you on that. they don't get some immunity, if they did they would not die the next year from getting bit the next year, THINK ABOUT IT.. I don't know where you got the 5 /10 years but you must have your head under a rock. it has hit for the last two years and deer die by the hundreds or thousands for the last two years.

Deer that survive a particular strain of EHD do build up an immunity to THAT strain. Problem is there are at least five known strains of EHD in Alabama and different strains can hit the same herd in the same year. The storms out of south Fla brought a new strain into Alabama year before last that killed a lot of deer. Southern deer that have evolved over time do not die at the same high rate that northern deer do that have recently been exposed to EHD

historically EHD outbreaks IN A SMALL AREA do run a seven year+/- cycle. EHD does kill deer all over Alabama EVERY YEAR, but usually NOT the same small locations. The mutation of the virus may be changing that cycle some.

There is something about force feeding tainted meat over years to give them a disease just to prove a point is a little off. I guess that is the way some research is done, but it is like the testing where they force fed saccharin to the rats, sort of like feeding a human a couple of tons to give a person cancer. After 60 years CWD is still a might, if , could, maybe type of diseaise.

Funny at the responses to this question.

I would not and I would not eat venison from an area where CWD has been discovered. I wouldn't even test the deer, I just wouldn't eat any deer from that area.

I agree it’s somewhat off but They tested to replicate human consumption of a harvested deer. I.e eating a whole deer over the course of 2 years, more or less. It’s pretty close not really the same as tons of saccahrin. Maybe like a deer a year If you convert what they ate to what we eat, depending on man, woman, child, etc.

The 60 year thing is deceiving. Quoting Texas A&M here but even though it was discovered in 1967, they didn’t pick it up in wild herd until elk in 1981 and deer in 1985. I.e. even though it has been around 51 years, it took til later to show up big in wild herd and The disease was not widespread for many years. Couple this with the fact that I the numbers were low in the beginning years, Prion diseases can have a long incubation period, prion load can make a difference, CJD is notoriously misdiagnosed as Alzheimer’s, etc. and it’s not as easy of a feeling. I bet somewhere that there is an estimate of how many cwd deer have been consumed. Wisconsin actually has a log of people known to have consumed cwd positive meat in past decade or so. They’ll be the ginneau pigs.

Why, if you don't mind me asking? Do you not trust the testing or is there evidence that a deer can carry/transmit it without being "infected"?

I'm very concerned about CWD in deer, just as concerned about mad cow disease in a cow. I certainly wouldn't eat either, if infected. And even eating a deer from a CWD area is now giving me hesitation. The first 2 deer they found in MS were 200 miles apart. Hard to say how big an area for CWD actually is.

Here's my "scare' from eating it. Yes, no human has ever died from eating it, I'll give them that, 100%. No one has died from AIDS either. It's something else that kills them. What if CWD is causing liver cancer, Kidney failure, brain issues, heart problems? Smoking doesn't kill you either. It's the fact that you get the other umpteen diseases from smoking. What is CWD causing that everyone is just passing off as something else and it's not even being test for in human deaths?

With CWD being transmitted via saliva, urine, etc, how in the world will this just not take over the state? Are deer dropping saliva while feeding in food plots? Will food plots become the ground zero breeding grounds for CWD prions? They certainly swap spit on licking branches and piss all over the places in scrapes.

Anybody heard about the sick buck on Chapman mountain in Huntsville?

I feel the same as BhamFred. There is no way to ensure a deer is CWD negative because deer don’t test positive until they have had the disease for 3-6 months. That means that if you hunt in an area with 10 % prevalence of positive testing deer; another 2-3 percent or so likely have the disease but are in that 3-6 month limbo where the prions are increasing to the point where they can be tested for. Out of 100 deer, if you throw out all positives in this area of 10 percent prevalence and just eat the “not positive deer”, then 2 or 3 of those deer eaten will still have CWD.

All testing does in a hot area with 10 %testing prevalence is lower your risk of eating a deer with CWD from rougly 12.5 percent to somewhere between 2 and 3 percent. Those 2-3 deer are carrying around, at a bare minimum, the prions that got them infected so you’re likely going to gobble those and more down if you eat them. Thus if you want to avoid eating CWD deer, you should not eat deer killed in those areas. The Mississippi department of health actually recommends that hunters consider not eating venison from deer harvested in an area with known CWD. Think of how strong a statement that is.

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sorry, been gone

Swampdrummin pretty much answered it

Ok. Follow up question....

If you decide you're simply not going to eat deer from a "CWD area", how do you personally define "area". How close is too close? At what distance/range, with a confirmed case, would you simply stop eating venison?

Ex: "I won't eat any deer within 5/10/20/100 miles of a confirmed case."

I ain't eating one from anywhere near a case of this shucks myself. Probably that whole section of the State for me. Just like I don't otherwise eat what appears to be a sick deer, ducks with Rice Breast or Amberjack full of worms.

Y'all go right ahead though if that's your thing. I'm not eating anything with what is essentially mad cow disease. Probably no harm in it but I'm out either way. Won't impact me I don't kill deer for "meat" so if I do shoot one I'll donate it to one of the many folks on here that eat deer year round instead of meat from the grocery store.

Definitely not 5/10/20. The further you get though any risk there is, if any, starts to go down. Maybe 100 miles would be enough to mute the issue, but frankly I haven’t eaten much venison since living 125 miles from an active area in one state and now 50 in another. Having young kids has factored in to that and really forced me to honestly ask myself if I was informed to any risk I would be exposing them or if I was blowing it off because I didn't want it to be true/wanted to stick my head in the sand. The saying ignorance is bliss really rings true here.

Over 180 cases confirmed in three counties so far.

I'd like to hear more about this.

This is some bad stuff
It’s coming thanks for the great information

I'm hoping that it don't cross from McNairy County into Hardin. Maybe that wide river to cross will help keep that from happening. Our lease is in Hardin County and I'll still hunt but I doubt that I'll eat any venison from there if we end up with it.

Right there with you Wiley. We hunt mostly in Wayne Co, some in Lawrence Co TN. Scary to think about it only being a couple counties west.

At a legislative hearing in Minnesota on Thursday:

“Michael Osterholm, director for the U’s Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy who sat on a panel of experts tracking the emergence of mad cow disease, or BSE, decades ago, told lawmakers this:

“It is my best professional judgment based on my public health experience and the risk of BSE transmission to humans in the 1980s and 1990s and my extensive review and evaluation of laboratory research studies … that it is probable that human cases of CWD associated with the consumption of contaminated meat will be documented in the years ahead. It is possible that number of human cases will be substantial and will not be isolated events.”

The Article

I have always believed that what Osterholm is saying will be proven to be true.

You going to keep eating deer?

hell no.

Does this mean outback and James have MMD(MAD MAN DISEASE)??????? I really don't think James got it from deer meat since he can't kill any.

Wow, yall got me thinking it is not worth it to eat deer meat now, and that is mainly what we eat.

I hunt for food...I dont buy meat. I eat deer meat instead of beef , wild boar for pork, wild turkey for poultry, and wild fish we have caught.

I will give up deer hunting I think if the problem is as bad as it is being portrayed on here.

Same here.

I'll continue to eat venison from central and south Alabama till CWD is found closer to me, but then I will quit. Cwd won't kill me (I'm 68) but I won't feed it to my children/grandchildren.

So you're saying you eat poultry like 3 times a year? I'm not sure if I'm impressed or sad for you.

Yep, it's interesting but I'll quit deer hunting if I have to shoot a "free-range in the big pen" (a little play on words from that "great white hunter") buck bred in a pen and turned loose behind a fence. Give me a 120" free range in the woods over a 180" pen raised eating a pile of Walmart deer corn.

Keith Warren..... I don't know the man but I could not support that industry like he does and feel good about myself. May ruffle some feathers but killing a 180"+ buck that's been bred and raised by humans isn't hunting. IMO.

Back to CWD... I'd support cutting his testicles off if a deer farmer gets caught transporting deer across state lines.

I don't think any is asking you to go hunt in a high fence This is America You have the right to hunt on either side of the fence . Question for you ? Have you ever fished in a pond or a lake ? Tell me the difference ?? They raise the fish to a certain size and put the fish in the pond or lake for a sportsman to enjoy Maybe you have, maybe you have not. Point is every hunter or fisherman enjoys their hunt or fishing trip with out being judged by someone else by the way they hunt . You started somewhere didn't you

I don’t think anyone is arguing that a man doesn’t have the right to shoot deer in a pen, hvfs118. However, if you look at all the various definition of “hunting” in the major dictionaries, shooting a deer in a high fence operation fits more closely to farming than hunting. I would argue that it’s not a hunt by accepted definitions. A high fence shooter where deer have been raised and stocked presents the shooter with the opportunity to harvest the crop. It’s something different than hunting and the sporting nature of hunting, more of a simulated hunt than a true sporting endeavor. Albeit you can argue that modern advances have taken some of the sport out of hunting. Nevertheless, there’s an important difference between the two.

The definition of fishing is inclusive for stocked ponds and wild ponds alike. I guess at the end of the day fish kinda make the final decision in the matter unlike your standard high fence operation. That’s an important distinction as well. Still I would ageree that dropping a 10 lb bass in a pond and catching it out is not the same, though I am unaware of this happening anywhere.


You seem to be taking issue with the free speech rights of a couple of posters above to call out high fence operations. Thats’s where you get the mud on their face. You have a right to shoot deer in a pen. They have a right to call it pathetic and distinguish as different from their manner of hunting. . What does it really matter if you are ok with it. If, on the other hand, you want to be broadly accepted by the hunting circles then go kill that 150 inch buck on public land instead of the pen.

Looks like a fellow from LSU has discovered the cure to CWD. Turns out it’s a bacterial infection and the prions are a side effect not the cause of the desease. Now we can find something else to argue about I guess.

https://www.facebook.com/261852623934229/posts/2010704925715648/

I’m just passing this along. Sure seems legit and promising but I guess these days who knows.

This is not new research, study was from 8 years ago and no one has been able to replicate his research.

I would gladly eat some crow if that’s the cure. Maybe he really is Will Smith sitting in a basement discovering the cure to the zombie apocalypse on his own but I doubt it. But I would differ to the bulk of all the respected scientists in the world, no one has bit on this theory. In fact the only scientific articles I can find on this theory are published by, you guessed it, the same guy, frank bastian.

They made that announcement look awfully like a state sanctioned piece when it wasn’t . They even had the podium which is why I even looked it up. Turns out that was a presentation put forward by The United Sportsmen of Pennsylvania, (who paid for the research) and one state senator, wRepresentative David Maloney (R-Berks) who held a half-hour press conference at the capital on their own accord. Y’all make your own opinions on that. Also funny that he comes claiming the this discovery at the exact same time every major news media on the country starting reporting on possible health concerns, even the opposing duo of CNN and FOX. It’s like Deer and Deer hunting magazine running their recent article of a “recent study” showing no human health risks based on data from 17 years ago.


Boiled down they claim that a bacteria causes prions as a byproduct and this is why people thought it was caused by prions. . The major flaw is that how is it that you can isolate the prions and then the prions cause more cwd, even in the absence of said bacteria. How can you heat these prions to absurd levels and they still cause CWD in absence of bacteria. If these bacteria are everywhere then why is CWD spreading across the county in prevalence.

This reminds of the press conference given in Great Britain where the official said BSE was not a health concern and had his daughter eat a steak on tv. Later a friend of the daughter died of BSE, aka mad cow.

Im a turkey killer buddy. So, More then 3 times a year.

You must have a hard time with them I guess.

There has been years where I shot 15 in different states...2 breasts each..thats 30 turkey breasts in individual zip lock baggies , me and my wife living alone. One big old gobbler breast is enough for both of us with a little left over.

Dont be sad for me...Ill be all right.

Thanks for your concern though. The real concern is what will I eat if I cant eat deer meat. Thats what worries us. I put in 2 a year usually. I might have to actually buy beef. My wife said to me..Oh wow...this is going to cost us more isnt it? I told her....what? you see what I spend deer hunting. Heck no..it will save us a fortune!

The State of Pennsylvania issued a response to that video. Here it is:

STATE AGENCIES ISSUE STATEMENT ON CWD

HARRISBURG, PA - Following today's press conference on Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD), the Pennsylvania Game Commission and Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture would like to make clear that decades of research have provided abundant evidence that prions, or misfolded proteins, are the infectious agent of CWD, and this hypothesis is accepted by state agriculture and wildlife agencies across the U.S.

While alternative theories exist, they have not been thoroughly researched.

Meanwhile, CWD remains a serious threat to Pennsylvania’s deer and deer hunting.

In some areas of the state where CWD exists, the always-fatal, incurable brain disease affecting deer and elk has been detected with increasing regularity.

“By intensively monitoring for CWD statewide and acting to limit the disease’s spread where it exists, the Game Commission remains committed to fighting CWD and protecting the hunting opportunity our largely healthy and abundant deer herd provide,” said Game Commission Bureau of Wildlife Management Director Matthew Schnupp. “Through ongoing research, our options for best managing CWD might someday expand, and we will always incorporate the best available science in our disease response.”

For more information on CWD, visit the Game Commission’s website, www.pgc.pa.gov.

"Always fatal". Wow. That was on the list you considered misconceptions.

Well looking for peer review or some sort of corroborating evidence I couldn’t find any BUT I found out something better.

Turns out that Mr. Frank O. Bastian and his wife Carol sued their neighbors because Carol tripped on a piece of concrete while walking her dog across the neighbors driveway at night. The wife said she avoided using the area in the past due to altercations with the neighbor and the fact that she knew the driveway was “difficult to cross.”

Ok, ok.....just saying, THIS GUY is supposed to be the savior of deer hunting?

You created a list of items. That's a fact. I agree that it's always fatal.

You said they were spreading misconceptions. But you want name one misconception. They were FACTS. So,as I said, you are a liar or you don't know what you are talking about. Only you know that answer.

Ok Centrala, since you kept pushing it here and the other thread, I'll weigh in. I think I initially attributed more reasoning and logic to your posts than I think were the case. What came across as sort of a deliberate attempt at misconception was a product of poor reading comprehensive issues and a big mouth. You know the type, a demand others prove you wrong sort of mentality. In that sense it really wasn't fair of me to imply intent or some sort of greater agenda to your posts. Playing a game of connect the dots with you would go on forever, so lets just end it here. I've called you stupid and you've called me a liar.

That's fair enough and should never have gotten to this point. I'm good with it because I knew I wasn't deliberately spreading bad information.

I dont see why you say that i take the issue of free speech to far Fishing in a pond or lake is the same You may not look at it the same the fish can not bit the deer can stay bedded down and not move People love to put someone down because of their skills Remember there is someone more skilled than you when you throw the first rock or MUD

If I could go back

Well, I'm an asshole. I shouldn't have made that post to begin with or gone all conspiracy theory on you like that.

I am just too bored and too smart for my own britches. Trust me when turkey season starts or the striped bass start biting, whichever comes first, I'll stop getting all riled up like this. If shooting a buck in a pen and catching fish out of a lake are the same to you then more power to you. They are not the same to me.

Well if you take the animal out of the picture and say you put a creature in a environment where it cant escape and let a sportsman come and harvest or catch that creature then take it home and eat it or have it mounted. It can be a trophy for either hunter or fisherman You dig a hole put water in it and stock it you put up a enclose and you stock it Now I think it would take a dumb@$$ to say there is a difference BUT YOU HAVE YOUR THOUGHTS AND I HAVE MINE you tell me why its not the same

Geez, moderator needed on isle 8 please.