Game Check again

With all the big talk and name calling on here. I doubt you brave bold men would have a problem with telling the truth about hunting success this past season in Alabama.

How many deer did you kill this past season and did you report them?

I reported all 4 of mine.

2. Reported.

My Dad also killed two and I reported them for him.

2 bucks and a doe and 2 turkeys and I had no issues reporting them

1 buck and yes I did report it. Every deer taken on any property I am associated with was reportered by the hunter.

One buck. I did report it.
I do not report turkeys and never will.

zero for me.

grandson killed a big eight point. I spent a day and a half trying to report it, said screw it. They don't like it they can come get the 11 year old grandson.

That what yer looking for Barry????

Legal or not I will never discuss what I kill openly again. It cost me dearly in the past with an influx of trespassing. With that said, I have to have 1 deer a year and usually let a kid shoot one for me. I can take 2-3 more if the kids want to. It's up to the kids parents to report or not but they do fill out the paper while with me.

I'm sorry. I just don't uderstand the complaining. Other Yankee states do it, are you goobers too goofy to pull it off? I'm all for anything that will help catch the criminals among us that refuse to abide by the buck limit. OB, no more turkeys than you kill, it's no big deal!

I think I recall it being written there where 200 GC tickets written and 300 warnings. That's on memory but could be wrong. If that 500 is put in compliance, it changes nothing. Now, how can we find out how many tickets were written for exceeding the 3 buck limit?

You think I told you the truth?
I'm going in the morning for #5, or is it #7, hell I lost count.

A big fat zero for me, but if do kill a deer I report it.

One buck and 3 does. Reported all of them. My nephew killed a buck during youth season and I reported it also. Took about 60 seconds to report each of them. It’s not difficult at all to do. Honestly, I wish we would go to physical tags if we’re going to continue to report them.

I reported all 1 of mine. It was in the extended season and the app kept telling me the season was over so I had to end up phoning it in.

I can see Sykes wanting to do this and make you buy tags even if you are a lifetime license holder or in the exempt group of "entitlement" hunters.

Killed 3 in 3 states.

Reported all 3

2 bucks and both reported. No issues reporting over iPhone.

0 deer killed by me. I reported my son's.

What I'd rather be known is that we made 20 sits between 12/29 and 2/10 and saw exactly 3 deer in 20 sits.

That is a whole heck of a lot better info on status of the herd than the buck I reported.

Exactly.....With a continued price increase each year.

Lost count MaRK? HELL YOU NEVER COULD COUNT! nO THERE ARE NOT 7 FINGERS ON YOUR HAND! i HEARD YOU HAVE BEENB AT WAR WITH rUSSIA AGAIN. i KNOW YOU HAVE ALREADY WIPED OUT A BUNCH OF wHITE rUSSIANS THIS WEEK!

Done killed three this evening.

Tags could be free with a "Make your own" deal. Use a wide plastic zip-tie and Sharpie, a strip of duct tape and sharpie, whatever. Wrap it around the antler or poke it through the ear or leg.

Ohio DNR has a pretty good setup and hunters make their own tags but still call in for a confirmation number. I've done it and it's easy. Oklahoma is the same way. No cost for tags. You get your ass in a sling if you get caught without a tag and folks know it.

Go here and scroll down to Tagging & Checking:

http://wildlife.ohiodnr.gov/hunting...ing-regulations/deer-hunting-regulations

what ????? we pose to report how many we kill ?????

On deer, according to the answers here, the compliance is about 90%. Sgtred awhile back said he was not seeing out of compliance GC, if I remember correctly. Maybe he will elaborate again on what he saw. Maybe his 30%-35% is actually 85%-90% and he is frustrated with people doing what he has asked but not telling him what he wanted to hear.

I still don't understand the percentage. If 240,000 deer are killed and 80,000 are reported, that is 33% compliance. But if you already know 240,000 deer where killed, YOU HAVE TO KNOW THAT NUMBER TO GET THE PERCENTAGE, why are you looking for how many deer are killed. You already know.

3 reported deer 2 turkeys reported as well

One buck this year and one buck last year, phoned both of them in to GC.

I have reported all of my kills since the program first began and was Voluntary.
I do not think that the requested information has any biological importance at all, though.

The few people I know who don’t report them are not hardened poachers......they are older gentlemen who have hunted their whole lives and do not get on the computer or use smart phones.

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That's the whole point. They don't know how many deer was killed. And therefore they don't know the percentage of compliance. A few folks in the Dept are trying desperately to get the number up close to what they've been dramatically overestimating for years.

I killed 2 deer , my wife killed 2 , and my daughter killed 1. All were reported using the App with no problems at all.

So, what you are saying is his estimate of approx. 240000 deer killed the season before is way wrong. From that he concluded 30%-35% complied. Using a bogus number of 240000 as you contend can NEVER produce anything but a failure of GC? Now, if he had used 100000, GC would be hitting around 78%-82% in the first 2 years and an instant success. Therfor, the number he used, which I have no clue if it's right or wrong, has created the perception of GC failure. So he created that failing perception himself, no one else.

We should have never been given any numbers but what was reported. No percentages, no nothing. Let the hunters think what they want about percentages but don't endorse your own systems failure. Just each year say we are not where we want to be, a lot of work to be done, but we will get there. I would go thank all those who reported. Keep up the good work.

I wonder if or how they come up with the number of incidental takes that involve car bumpers? You have to think that is a significant cause of mortality for the deer herd on a yearly basis. Do they actually research the insurance claims, or do they just guess that number too?

I definitely checked mine in at alabama outdoor.com. Then screenshot confirmation numbers. I encouraged others to check theirs in also.

Stop using logic, lol.

3 kills, all reported

Comply with the regulation. Yes. Like it. No.

I am guessing that you will find more people on this site complying than the state average.

I'm going to guess that the people who dont report them are more than likely not going to comment and say they didnt.

I was blessed to shoot two bucks and three does. Reported all 5 deer.

No big deal to me to do so.

Takes only a few minutes of time, we are supposed to do it and I try my best to abide by our state laws and regulations.

i did not report the ones i didn't kill lol

this^^^^^^^^.

Ok, so for the most part, NOT 100% BUT A HIGH PERCENTAGE, of deer hunters fall into 1 of 2 categories. Those who don't like it but report anyway and the ones who don't like and don't report.. The number that who likes it and reports APPEARS to be insignificant.

Given those majority groups, can compliance for GC ever improve? I'm talking actual number of deer killed and reported ever improve ....to let's say 100,000?. Not talking about a % of any made up number, just the actual number reported

1 & 1

This is what I do also. Also heard on R&B this week that Garry Vines the Spur Master got a ticket for not checking his turkeys this year.

I killed 3 and reported them all. I even posted pics here of 2 of them. I reported all my turkeys and also participate in the Avid Hunter project for turkey and report every hunt.

I liked our old system better, but GC is what we have and I can't see them changing it. Government never goes backwards on regulations; it's always going forward.

I lied and reported deer that I didn't actually kill. Factor guys like me that just wanna see the world burn into your figurin'

That does happen. People playing the numbers game will make it up and show the numbers to friends. I can assure you I have known some who would do just that.

Of all the things in this world to lie about, why on God's green Earth would you pick such an insignificant topic like deer hunting. People blow my mind. I hate the world we live in.

So since all of us reported how about "rumors" of people that didnt report.

I only have one brother and I have the conclusion he is simply not capable of telling the truth. No matter how significant or not. You can take whatever he says, go with the opposite and you would be good that way but only that way. I haven't seen him in 5-6 years and that was too &%#@-&% recent. NO WAY he will use GC...Or the seasons...Or the limit

I feel your pain.....

Thank God mine does not hunt!

If I ever kill a deer or turkey in the state again I'll check it. I wanna be progressive and not a lazy leech.

You dang sure better not kill it on your own property UNLESS you buy a license, hire a professional biologist to manage it, have at least one cellular hog trap on the property and shoot it with a Benjamin Airgun!!!

Nah, I just poach on other property with my crossbow from my vehicle. Tool of the Devil!

Mike Handley can kiss my butt. "TOOL OF THE DEVIL" was my quote to Handley at CAB. I saw his eyes grow big and he started to drool upon me making that statement. I told him that I was talking in Metaphor and that I was just trying to convey in comparison to a TRADBOW and that was 100 percent off the record. He swore to me he understood and that he would never ever put that in print. The next day headlines read CROSSBOW TOOL OF DEVIL. He even misrepresented it to a representative of BHA instead of ASTB. Now you know the rest of the story...

Actually I was wanting to give the law abiding and non hating DCNR hunter a chance to post.

Based on the 54 replies to this thread compared to the 201 for the Sykes is Frustrated thread, I think one can reason that the GC participation percentages seem to be fairly accurate even among the aldeer crowd.

I have posted in both.....and reported every deer I killed AND wrote em on the silly little paper before that.

So, how does that affect the math??

I don't know where you get either one of those idiotic statements from Barry. Grabbed out of yer ass?????

Barry, you and I have emailed and I respect your position, but to give the impression that those on the other thread are not law abiding is gross misrepresentation. No on has said that that anyone is not law abiding. I don't think you implying it against of bunch of the posters on the other thread (me being one of them) is a good thing.

For some reason some of those that are or were in the Alabama "system" and in cahoots with Sykes seem to think that that the hunting population must agree with every jot and tittle of what Sykes thinks or they are non law abiding and haters. That is simply not the case and I for one take offense to you implying it.

Barry, serious question and I am not implying anything. Have you gained or do you stand to gain from Sykes having control? I am not throwing darts, but if the answer is yes to either one of those, you should probably disclaim your opinion when you state it.

I don't think anyone here hates the DCNR. We may have individuals we don't like, laws we don't like, or systems we don't like. But overall I don't think any of us hate the DCNR. In the past we have worked well together, or as good as you could expect. I've said from the beginning and I still believe it, the people in the woods (GWs and biologist) are caught in the middle with a lot of their PR work being damaged by systems and individual/groups. I also still believe those field guys could have developed a system and sold it better than anyone else in DCNR. But it is my understanding they were mostly just dictated what to do. So, we don't hate the Dept.

I certainly do not hate the DCNR!!

That is a far reach and extremely antagonistic thing to post.

Just because I disagree with SOME of their actions/policies dang sure does not mean I hate the Dept; much less any individuals in it! It simply means we have a difference in opinion. And, I fully accept and Respect the fact that the Dept has the weight of the Law on it’s Side. So, I comply with their Rules and Regulations. But, it does not mean that I have to like it.

centrala, FYI, field personnel like GWs and biologists have very little to any say so in what Montgomery does.

I understand and that's what I was trying to say. For me, I had much rather deal with the field people than the office people. They are just more in touch with reality. Something else, once they come out of the field and into an office, won't be long and they will be out of touch with reality and into that office/politic mode.

Speaking of being out of touch with reality the main ones that are and only catching an occasional comment is this CAB we have now. When it first started it seemed to serve its purpose for hunters. Now it's serving a purpose but I'm afraid only a small, more elite hunter is being served.

I think they could get a close figure if they rode in a chopper with thermal imaging for a couple weeks at night

I killed two trophy bucks with my bow on private land and didn't report either of them. Mainly because I forgot.

I would say just the opposite is true, If there was ANY hint that I was getting preferential treatment some would scream bloody murder. And I understand that. I have sold hog traps to the state. That has nothing to do with him being in "power". Field agents put in requests for traps that they need. If Montgomery comes up with the money, then I sell to them. I will say this, like all state vendors, it takes me months to get paid. LOL

I did not mean to offend you. I talk to a lot of ALDEER members that simply do not post because they don't want to have the wrath of some of the key board cowboys come down on them. That other thread had turned into a DCNR/Sykes bashing thread. I simply wanted to give others a chance to chime in.

Honestly, I don't think Game Check will ever work. But, I don't fault the man for trying.

Sykes doesn't use Jager Pro traps. He uses Bull Creek.

Thanks for the reply Barry. I respect your answer. I just wanted everyone to realize that lawbreakers and haters might be on the thread, but it definitely isn't everyone. And I work with alot of clients that have state contracts so I know how difficult it is to get paid.

As far as key board cowboys, yes there are some, but most of them are easy going when you meet them. I have been on here since the beginning, just don't post alot. Heck, I remember outback telling me I didn't know what the hell I was talking about when I answered someone about the tax code 16 or so years ago. Of course that is when he was outspoken. He's calmed down now.

Tagged all of mine as well. Used the phone app. And it's works good one time .Then it's a act of Congress the next.. I almost give up on my turkey. It kept telling me season was over with?

When using Game Check to help determine the population, I wonder how people like me mess it up? I probably watched 100 bucks and 150 doe this past year and shot one buck, which I game checked. Back in the days of the deer management program, we used observation sheets to help with the data, but not anymore. It seems like that could skewer the numbers.

Jawbone, then there is the guy that saw three bucks all season and killed all three. And two of the ten does he saw. He killed every deer he saw and had a shot at.

Then there is you...shoots one and lets 200+ walk.

how does this help figure the herd numbers because guy one killed five deer to your one but he sure as hell dosen't have anywhere near the herd size you do.

Jesus christ. I don't remember what I said last week
You remember something I said 16 years ago?
Are you my wife?

It’s never going to tell them how many deer are in the woods. All it can show is if we’re killing more, less, or about the same over time. Those trends point out to them that something is changing and they have to figure out why.

The thing that sucks the most about it is that so many people tried to point these things out ahead of time…… but folks just blindly supported it anyways as if they were gonna be able to magically pull something out of their arse once the numbers started rolling in.

the bad part is, if kill numbers go up. Is that gonna show them theres more deer or just more people reporting?

Who really cares report or not it is just a dang deer!

You can't micromanage deer populations on a state wide basis, it is more of a per section management plan that is needed. Hunters have to use good sense, just because a state biologist panel says you can kill 3 bucks and a doe PER DAY thru a long season doesn't mean it is a good idea to shoot all of them.
Game Check is a program that I don't think will ever work, mainly because the idea doesn't make sense to most hunters. What damn good does it do to count dead deer with a program that is still a SWAG and you don't know the live deer numbers. Browse lines would tell you more.

I shot one deer and reported it.




No amount of regulations and tags will stop the poachers. It is like taking guns away from law abiding citizens to stop criminals from having guns.

I haven't reported one yet. Not going to.

And just for the record Barry has helped me clean ALL of the ones I've killed since the program began, and he hasn't turned me in YET!

#Outlawlife (no stickers yet, but working on a tshirt with a pic of Chuck Sykes with the circle around his head and a line through it)

Reported the buck I killed. The does on the depredation permit though...lol

You’re required to report them or your depredation permit may just not get renewed. If I was you I’d report them and sure as heck not brag about not doing it on line.

As for GC I’ve reported all of my deer and turkeys and haven’t had one problem while doing it.

Reported mine and helped my son report his

1 buck, took me 20 seconds to report it. Get the Outdoor Alabama app on your phone, it's pretty handy

Unless you kill a buck in the extended season and try to report it and it tells you that the season is out so you have to go to where you have cell service and call it in and since you were relying on the app and didn't carry a paper form with you the buck in the bed of your truck is technically illegal. The system is far from having all the kinks worked out, or at least it was at the end of last year.

Not very handy when the damn thing doesn't work!

There was a problem with the android version, for a while, but it's been working fine since before this last deer season. I used it to report my deer and a couple for other people.
I use the GPS map often, as well.

Not for me , took me over 24 hrs to log in a deer this season , same thing on the first turkey after the first turkey no problems. BrentM had trouble logging in a turkey this spring on an Iphone. I'm sure there are plenty of others that have had trouble since before this past deer season. It's screwed up , has been since the beginning.

I reported the does and bucks I took this year.... It's what I'm supposed to do....

I reported the one buck I killed this past season. App did not work, probably due to spotty cell service, but for whatever reason, it would not take the data, so I filled out the paper harvest record before I moved the buck and kept it with me. Killed the buck Friday afternoon and hunted til Tuesday of the following week. I actually logged the buck using my home computer, when I got back home, which was well over 48 hrs after harvest as required by law. It's bad news when you break the law while trying to obey it to the letter.

Also, while I only killed one buck and didnt hunt much this past year, I probably saw 20-25 rack bucks and probably at least 70-75 does and yearlings during the 10 or so days I was able to hunt. If you look at my limited harvest, which was 100% due to my intentionally being very selective, you'd think that I did not have a successful season, and that we might have a population issue in the area I hunt, which is certainly not the case. Point being, what is the GC info, off the one buck I killed, out of the 20+ that I saw, telling Chuck and his boys about the population, sex ratio, overall herd health and fawn recruitment????? All of these are key metrics in managing a whitetail deer herd, none of which is being reported, recorded, or even requested. What does my one dead deer tell Chuck? All it tells him is that there is one less trophy buck running around in North Wilcox.

This is what, five years now with the system (counting voluntary years)?

This Pocket Ranger system is used in other states and has been for a while. There should be no kinks in this system by now.

15 button bucks, spikes, and yearling does.

None Reported.

Sincerely,

My beloved Neighbor

But seriously, I don't get the resentment and pushback on reporting your kills. The state is trying to do the best it can. But as the stuborn-ass older guys fade away, an upcoming crop of younger and more conservation-oriented hunters will be coming along and they'll report their kills.

I.E. My 18 yr old fisher and hunter son made a comment the other day about a 7 lbs bass someone posted on Facebook. The bass was obviously dead. My son commented: "Man, it's a shame that guy killed that big female bass. He should have let that bass go and kept the smaller ones!" In most circumstances, my son would be right.

Now, some of you may rip him a new AH, but he is not alone. All his fishing high school friends never keep big bass as they're right, the smaller bass eat much better and why would you kill a big female? Let her go to reproduce and let someone else have a chance to catch (and release) her. I can't disagree with him, however, I give the dude in the picture the benefit of the doubt that maybe there were circumstances for him killing that big bass.

But here's my point... the younger outdoorsmen are better conservationist than my generation was or is. They will take better care of this earth than my generation has.

It's just like seatbelts... when mandatory, the old-timers bitched. But if you drive a vehicle and you don't wear a seatbelt, you're an idiot. And good God, you can't argue with proven statistics so please don't argue your point that what if you drive off a bridge and can't get your seatbelt off? You'll be showing your ignorance if you do.

GameCheck isn't a bad thing. And I'm a conservative Republican that hates gov interference in my life.

Let the fire fly!

if he shouldn't keep the big female why should he keep a small one ?
if i choose not to wear a set belt how does that kill the other driver ?
if GC is not bad then what is good about ? i can get data from scratching my ass but it aint gonna tell me how often yours need scratching

this^^^ is an unmitigated load of shitt. I'm 67 and it has been my generation and that before me that were "conserving" and building Alabamas deer herds. The state of Alabama and the damn millineals didn't and haven't done a damn thing. It was older landowners and hunters that built the hers up.

Younger , newer hunters embraced the states mandate to kill the snot out of does and here we are now. Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.

I whole-heartedly agree!!
Some are mistaking an elitist Trophy Hunter/Fisherman attitude as a Conservationist.

BhamFred & Hogwild, I can't believe y'all would say something like that!! BUT, y'all are 100% correct!!

That Sir, may be the most insightful post you've ever made.

Y'all got that right! Those of us that were around when there were few to no deer and the leadership in Montgomery at that time made the herd what it is today. Whole different world when there were few deer and you actually had to hunt to get one. Being elitist, trophy, selfish minded has little to do with conservation.

Agree with PawPaw.

I didn't have any problems using the app to report my kills this year; I also brought a laminated copy with a sharpie just in case the cell died. When I was younger, the rule was pretty much...if it moves kill it. Now that I'm trying to get back into hunting (after a 30+ year vacation), I have learned tons for the older hunters on this board on being more selective and why doing so makes sense in the long run - much appreciated!

Older hunters? You mean you haven't learned more from today's younger conservationists who have done and will do more than previous generations?

Shocked. Shocked, I say.

Folks that have never had much conserve. The elitist , modern hunters don't conserve as much as manipulate and experiment or to put it bluntly screw with.