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Global warming ! They just never give up ! #212557
11/03/11 07:49 PM
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WASHINGTON (AP) — The global output of heat-trapping carbon dioxide jumped by the biggest amount on record, the U.S. Department of Energy calculated, a sign of how feeble the world's efforts are at slowing man-made global warming.

The new figures for 2010 mean that levels of greenhouse gases are higher than the worst case scenario outlined by climate experts just four years ago.

"The more we talk about the need to control emissions, the more they are growing," said John Reilly, co-director of MIT's Joint Program on the Science and Policy of Global Change.

The world pumped about 564 million more tons (512 million metric tons) of carbon into the air in 2010 than it did in 2009. That's an increase of 6 percent. That amount of extra pollution eclipses the individual emissions of all but three countries — China, the United States and India, the world's top producers of greenhouse gases.

It is a "monster" increase that is unheard of, said Gregg Marland, a professor of geology at Appalachian State University, who has helped calculate Department of Energy figures in the past.

Extra pollution in China and the U.S. account for more than half the increase in emissions last year, Marland said.

"It's a big jump," said Tom Boden, director of the Energy Department's Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center at Oak Ridge National Lab. "From an emissions standpoint, the global financial crisis seems to be over."

Boden said that in 2010 people were traveling, and manufacturing was back up worldwide, spurring the use of fossil fuels, the chief contributor of man-made climate change.

India and China are huge users of coal. Burning coal is the biggest carbon source worldwide and emissions from that jumped nearly 8 percent in 2010.

"The good news is that these economies are growing rapidly so everyone ought to be for that, right?" Reilly said Thursday. "Broader economic improvements in poor countries has been bringing living improvements to people. Doing it with increasing reliance on coal is imperiling the world."

In 2007, when the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change issued its last large report on global warming, it used different scenarios for carbon dioxide pollution and said the rate of warming would be based on the rate of pollution. Boden said the latest figures put global emissions higher than the worst case projections from the climate panel. Those forecast global temperatures rising between 4 and 11 degrees Fahrenheit by the end of the century with the best estimate at 7.5 degrees.

Even though global warming skeptics have attacked the climate change panel as being too alarmist, scientists have generally found their predictions too conservative, Reilly said. He said his university worked on emissions scenarios, their likelihood, and what would happen. The IPCC's worst case scenario was only about in the middle of what MIT calculated are likely scenarios.

Chris Field of Stanford University, head of one of the IPCC's working groups, said the panel's emissions scenarios are intended to be more accurate in the long term and are less so in earlier years. He said the question now among scientists is whether the future is the panel's worst case scenario "or something more extreme."

"Really dismaying," Granger Morgan, head of the engineering and public policy department at Carnegie Mellon University, said of the new figures. "We are building up a horrible legacy for our children and grandchildren."

But Reilly and University of Victoria climate scientist Andrew Weaver found something good in recent emissions figures. The developed countries that ratified the 1997 Kyoto Protocol greenhouse gas limiting treaty have reduced their emissions overall since then and have achieved their goals of cutting emissions to about 8 percent below 1990 levels. The U.S. did not ratify the agreement.

In 1990, developed countries produced about 60 percent of the world's greenhouse gases, now it's probably less than 50 percent, Reilly said.

"We really need to get the developing world because if we don't, the problem is going to be running away from us," Weaver said. "And the problem is pretty close from running away from us."

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Re: Global warming ! They just never give up ! [Re: perchjerker] #212582
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"The more we talk about the need to control emissions, the more they are growing," said John Reilly, co-director of MIT's Joint Program on the Science and Policy of Global Change.

Then I guess they should just stop talking about it...

Jeremy

Re: Global warming ! They just never give up ! [Re: perchjerker] #212590
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Read yesterday were graduate students were actually writing that stuff.

Junk science just never stops.


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Re: Global warming ! They just never give up ! [Re: perchjerker] #212631
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"MIT's Joint Program on the Science and Policy of Global Change", there is something about combining "Science" and "Policy" that just screams AGENDA!

Scientist should deal with science and let policymakers deal with policy, co-mengaling the two does nothing but create conflicts of interest!

It's funny that you never hear anything that discusses what happens with all of that carbon dioxide, it just doesn't go to a certain level in the atmosphere and stay there forever and continue to build up, otherwise at somepoint it would no longer allow sunlight to get to the earth, which would cause global cooling, or in the sky is falling crowd's terminology it would be like a nuclear winter.


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Re: Global warming ! They just never give up ! [Re: perchjerker] #212670
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They never discuss the fact that an absence of Carbon Dioxide would kill all Green plants and trees.


Thomas Jefferson. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Life is too short to only hunt and fish on weekends!

If being a dumbass was fatal some of you would be on your death bed!

Re: Global warming ! They just never give up ! [Re: perchjerker] #212674
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Scientist have to justify their existence therefore they need something to study, Global warming, now the scientist have a goal and can be awarded tax payer money to do the "research" necessary to tell the rest of us that we need to make changes in our lives to help combat this new threat. We, the general public (sheep), must do our best to eliminate green house gases (follow an agenda) so that we can save the environment. If you dig deep enough and long enough you will find people who make millions and even billions off of the so called research that some of these scientist conduct. Now don't get me wrong there are genuine researchers out there who are doing some marvelous and exciting work and I enjoy reading about them and their work but there are times I question spending tax payer money to do "research" can anyone say "Solyndra".


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Re: Global warming ! They just never give up ! [Re: perchjerker] #212719
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Global warming? Now I know the root cause of a black deer in Jackson County. We should get someone funded to make the connection.


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