Shot the new Mathews HTR (No Cam) today

Shot the new Mathews HTR (No Cam) today, man I see why some people are calling it the "Slow Cam" boy was she slow. Smooth draw, but I wouldn't trade my Chill X for it. Just my honest opinion, RH

Compared to the fastest I could see it but I wouldn't consider 320-330 slow.

If it shoots in the 320 range that is plenty fast for sure.

I've been shooting a Drenalin, now ive got a Chill X. This bow wasn't in the ballpark with the Chill X on speed.

The HTR and Chill X are a lot closer in speed than you realize. The X is rated at 336 with the 75% mods. The HTR is rated at 330 with the 65% mods. With 75% mods it will be in the mid 320's. In real world hunting situations, once you get over about 260fps, and extra 20fps isn't going to mean squat, much less 10fps.

I had a pin sight set up on a bow shooting 279fps. I took that sight and put it on a bow shooting 300fps. Once I got the top pin sighted in the same as I did on the other bow, I started stepping back and checking the pin gaps. That extra 21fps didn't make a difference in my pin gaps until I got past 52 yards.

A bow that has an ibo speed of 320 to 330 is gonna actually shoot 280 to 290 in a real world hunting situation. And that's at 30" draw with a 70 lb draw weight, go shorter or draw less weight and you will lose even more speed.

I didn't think it was slow. I think because it is very quiet and vibe free some might think it's slow.

tfd1224, a bow pulling 60# with a 28" draw shooting a 400gr. arrow 270fps is pretty damn good for a hunting rig. The whole point of my post is everyone worries too much about what speed their bow shoots. When it comes to hunting bows, it not as important as everyone thinks it is, especially 10 to 20fps.

Shaw, I know most would not suggest it. But, what bow, sight, broadhead with price would we be looking at to shoot 50-100 yds that would kill a deer?

I think the no cam may be a little too long for bow hunting at 32", especially out of a climber. I see it as a bow for target shooting. If they could take the no cam concept and squeeze it into the Creed XS, now we are talking.

No not really. I've killed more deer out of a treestand with a Mathews Q2 than any other bow. It's 34.5" axle to axle. The ChillR I'm using now is 33". STKSHTR and Booger are killing the hell out of them with a longbow from a treestand.

Sorry, but I'm not even going to comment on that and I hope you're not serious.

No doubt. I use the original Creed at 30" and I just wish it was shorter is all. Also, I think I may sit higher than most people probably do because of my bad knees and that brings the rails of my climber into play.

30" is too short for me. I don't know how that super-acute string angle doesn't bother people more. 32" is my minimum length

My Z7 is 31" and that is as short as I will go.

Speed doesn't kill...quiet, smooth and forgiving does. Those short bows usually have a very short and unforgiving brace height. Not my cup of tea for an up in a tree stand shooter. I'll take a longer axle to axle any day.

The brace height deal is a myth.

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Hmmm... How so?
I guess radius of turn is a figment of a newton?

i know shaw, i was just showing that even though the tag on the bow says 330 fps, thats not what its going to actually shoot. heck, mine ibo's at 343 but when shot through a chrono before i cut 2 inches off my arrows and added monkeytails it shot 301

Does your accuracy decrease when you shoot a shorter brace height bow? Mine didn't at all. Folks are learning that you don't have to have an 8" brace height to shoot accurately in a hunting setup.

Assuming your bow is always verticle and not being torqued, which can be a challenge in real world hunting situations from an elevated stand. If you are using perfect form in every shot, then you are correct it will not matter. However, as long as the laws of physics still apply; the greater the brace height the less severe the penalty for less than perfect form.

It doesn't matter how you hold your bow, as long as you hold it the same way every time.

Have you ever shot a current, short brace height bow? How much did the short brace height affect your accuracy?

How good you do or don't shoot a bow doesn't change facts

I like a bow with speed that can sling a heavy arrow. In case I don't make a perfect shot I know its going to blow through whatever it hits.

I bought the Chill and had 85% Rock Mods installed last month.
Did I screw up buying a short axel to axel bow?

I only hunt with a bow until rifle season comes in. I'm having buyers remorse now that Mathews has discontinued this bow.

Do what

Remington - .270 - 130 grain - $400

If you enjoy shooting it and shoot it well, that's all that matters. The fact that the bow has been discontinued for 2015 means absolutely nothing. If anything ever goes wrong Mathews will have the neccesaary parts on hand to fix it. That goes for every single model they have ever built.

A buddy of mine bought a used PSE for his son. The bow is 4 years old. I tried to get a set of draw mods for it and was told they no longer have them.

I picked up one today to check it out for the first time. I wanted to try it out but someone had dryfired the demo. It's got to be faster than my OLD-SLOW-HEAVY- DEER SLAYIN' SWITCHBACK!

I shot one the other day. Reminded me of my old indoor bow Mathews ovation. The bow was very top heavy but shot smooth. The way this one was set up it didn't aim real well. The draw length was about 1/2 inch longer than that was on bow.

I haven't been able to see one in person yet. From looking at the specs, I believe my only complaint is going to be the physical weight of the bow. I like a light bow that I can add weight to where it's needed.

I shot the No Cam HTR today. I didn't like it. The draw was terrible. The shot felt fine, but I hated the draw. And y'all know I'm partial to Mathews. I think I'm jumping ship and buying a Hoyt.

Ive really considered a Hoyt Drew. I dont like the way the cables rub on the side of the wheels on the Mathews no cam. They put some kinda guard or protecter on the cables, but i think after a lot of shooting it will eat them up. RH

I felt like I was pulling 90 lb

U should give a Chill X or Chill R a try, I'm really digging them. When I buy another bow, guess I will give a Hoyt carbon riser a try.

The Chill R is the best Mathews I've ever owned. Mine has 60# limbs on it. Bottomed out its pulling 62#. It feels like I'm pulling 50#. The Rock mods feel great at full draw.

Hoyt makes a great bow. I did a stint with them from 2004 to 2006. I won some big shoots, a central zone championship, a state championship and a shooter of the title with them. The one thing I've always hated about that Cam & 1/2 system of theirs is the lack of valley at full draw.

The Hoyt Carbon Element is what I went to. I shot a Mathews MQ1 from 1999-2013. I shot a bunch of bows before buying. The Hoyt CE felt better to me. Doesn't mean it's a better bow, just better for me.

I really like the chill r with the rock mods. I may end up with that. I've been shooting Mathews really since I was old enough. I may end up going with the chill, but I really like the feel of all the new Hoyt's. I was all excited to shoot the no cam but I got let down.

Get what you like best. They won't be as bad on you as they were me. It was about like Dale Jr. rolling up into Talladega in a Ford when I changed my avatar to a Hoyt one.

That's always been my complaint with Hoyt as well. Valley is very important to me, you never know when you have to hold your draw for extended amounts of time to make that shot.

I haven't shot the new Mathews but I want to. I like the fact that the axle to axle isn't so short.

Haha I can imagine!