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Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research

Posted By: Steve Ditchkoff

Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/12/17 01:01 PM

As most of you are aware, a little over 3 years ago the ADCNR funded a comprehensive study on white-tailed deer movement and survival. This is the research that included the brown and orange collars that some of you were seeing for the past few years. I know that it's been a long time coming, but the data and accompanying interpretations are finally in a format that we can share them with all of you.

Kevyn Wiskirchen and Todd Jacobsen, the two MS students that took the lead on the research submitted the final official copies of their theses in the past few weeks. We have put copies of their theses on the Au DeerLab webpage, and I will include links below so that you can get to the information. Keep in mind that the theses were prepared in a scientific format, so parts of them might be less than enjoyable to read.

Kevyn's THESIS had two chapters. The first examined survival and mortality patterns from the data that were collected, and the second looked at patterns of deer activity and how they were influenced by hunting activity. The data form the first chapter is very interesting regarding the relative differences between mortality on public and private lands, and the second chapter describes how your patterns as a hunter may causing you to hunt primarily on days that have low deer movement.

Todd's THESIS had two chapters, also. The first discussed the definition of excursive movements, and the second described the excursive behaviors that were discovered with the radio-collared deer from this project. These data have implications for management of deer on small-medium sized properties.

Posted By: CeeHawk37

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/12/17 02:08 PM

Very interested to tear into this when I get home. Thanks for posting it up for us!
Posted By: Thisldu

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/12/17 02:08 PM

Awesome! Cant wait to read it!
Posted By: NWALJM

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/12/17 02:34 PM

Thanks much for sharing this.
Posted By: Steve Ditchkoff

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/12/17 02:34 PM

I guess that I should also provide a LINK to all of the graduate students theses that have been completed with me at Auburn. Some of you might be interested in looking at them. Below is a general description of some of them.

Angela Jackson examined fawn survival at Fort Rucker.

Ally Keever did a follow up of this research at Fort Rucker.

Jeff Sullivan just completed some work in South Carolina that examined visitation of deer to previously hunted stands.

Gabe Karns looked at Buck movement inside of a high fence.

Sarah Saalfeld looked at fawn survival in an urban area.

Clint McCoy examined problems with camera surveys.

...and there are others.
Posted By: MarksOutdoors

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/12/17 03:03 PM

Thanks for posting up, Steve.
Posted By: Beak_Buster

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/12/17 03:27 PM

Great information, thanks!
Posted By: centralala

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/12/17 03:44 PM

Pleasantly surprised how many females are involved. Guess it could be guys with girly names. grin

Without reading the "previous hunted stand" thesis I would have on my mind what is the difference between a previous hunted stand and a previous visited feeder by a person? Just have to read it I guess.

Thanks for the info!!!!
Posted By: BamaGrad85

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/12/17 05:22 PM

Thanks for sharing.
Posted By: Gotcha1

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/12/17 06:37 PM

Thanks. Camp Hill is a rocking place.lol
Posted By: WARPhEAGLE

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/12/17 07:41 PM

Thanks, Doc!
Posted By: Baybuzzard

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/12/17 08:25 PM

Originally Posted By: Steve Ditchkoff
I guess that I should also provide a LINK to all of the graduate students theses that have been completed with me at Auburn. Some of you might be interested in looking at them. Below is a general description of some of them.

Gabe Karns looked at Buck movement inside of a high fence.



Anybody done a study of deer in the free range in the big pen?
grin
Posted By: garyo

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/12/17 08:42 PM

Is there any reports on coy dogs , coy wolf's in ala.
Posted By: centralala

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/12/17 08:44 PM

Well, its not written in dumbass redneck terms. My 2 takes:
1) They collared 82 deer. 3 died PDQ leaving 79. Of those 79, 30 where killed somehow. That means 49 survived for 3 years of the study. IF I READ THIS CORRECTLY, that is an unbelievable survival rate! IF that is correct, it should give hunters who opt to pass deer up renewed hope in their choice.
2). IF IM READING IT CORRECT, most "excursions" began at sunrise. Once again, renewed hope for hunters for a buck during daylight hours.
Posted By: centralala

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/12/17 08:45 PM

Originally Posted By: garyo
Is there any reports on coy dogs , coy wolf's in ala.


A study on coyotes is in progress. Been going a year or two.
Posted By: garyo

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/12/17 08:52 PM

thanks
Posted By: 257wbymag

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/12/17 08:53 PM


Originally Posted By: centralala
Originally Posted By: garyo
Is there any reports on coy dogs , coy wolf's in ala.


A study on coyotes is in progress. Been going a year or two.


My study concludes all those bastards need to die. Study complete
Posted By: centralala

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/12/17 09:06 PM

Originally Posted By: 257wbymag

Originally Posted By: centralala
Originally Posted By: garyo
Is there any reports on coy dogs , coy wolf's in ala.


A study on coyotes is in progress. Been going a year or two.


My study concludes all those bastards need to die. Study complete


A slow painful death. I'm thinking of digging a moat around my electric fence around my watermelons. I want them standing in water when they touch the electric fence.
Posted By: JUSTIN37HUNT

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/12/17 09:13 PM

Good stuff. Already engulfed one
Posted By: Thisldu

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/13/17 08:48 AM

The movement data as it relates to the average conception date in a particular area is awesome.
Posted By: NWALJM

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/13/17 09:46 AM

Originally Posted By: 257wbymag

Originally Posted By: centralala
Originally Posted By: garyo
Is there any reports on coy dogs , coy wolf's in ala.


A study on coyotes is in progress. Been going a year or two.


My study concludes all those bastards need to die. Study complete


Posted By: coach41

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/13/17 11:36 AM

Thanks for sharing. Looks very interesting.
Posted By: Yelp softly

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/13/17 02:49 PM

I want to read or hear more about the deer that were found to be harvested illegally in Kevyn's research. I read it this morning so I don't recall the exact numbers but something like 5 out of 35 deer that were taken were done so illegally. That seems like a pretty high percentage. Maybe I'm naive about the amount of poaching that takes place.
Posted By: centralala

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/13/17 03:40 PM

Originally Posted By: Yelp softly
I want to read or hear more about the deer that were found to be harvested illegally in Kevyn's research. I read it this morning so I don't recall the exact numbers but something like 5 out of 35 deer that were taken were done so illegally. That seems like a pretty high percentage. Maybe I'm naive about the amount of poaching that takes place.


I got them running together in my mind. The illegal kills could been by other means. Didn't it say collars found by roads were considered illegal when it could have been a deer/auto collision?
Posted By: Yelp softly

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/13/17 04:40 PM

Originally Posted By: centralala
Originally Posted By: Yelp softly
I want to read or hear more about the deer that were found to be harvested illegally in Kevyn's research. I read it this morning so I don't recall the exact numbers but something like 5 out of 35 deer that were taken were done so illegally. That seems like a pretty high percentage. Maybe I'm naive about the amount of poaching that takes place.


I got them running together in my mind. The illegal kills could been by other means. Didn't it say collars found by roads were considered illegal when it could have been a deer/auto collision?


From page 12 of Kevyn's paper. They called it hunting related causes, maybe I should go back and read some of the finer details more thoroughly but I wouldn't think an auto collision would be classified as hunting related or illegal.

Quote:
Thirty mortalities were documented throughout the study, 77% (23/30) of which were due to hunting-related causes. Among hunting-related mortalities, 17 (74%) were legal harvests, 5 (22%) were illegal harvests, and 1 (4%) was inconclusive as to the legality of the harvest.
Posted By: Hogwild

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/13/17 05:31 PM

I wonder how the deaths were determined 'for sure' to be illegal kills?

22% illegal kill rate of antlered bucks is absurd!!!!
And, a huge testament to the fact that we do not have enough GW's in the field to deter it.
Posted By: RonBuck

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/13/17 05:34 PM

absolute fact , road hunters and night hunters are hurting the population worse than anything . I thought It was coyotes.
Posted By: Hogwild

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/13/17 05:43 PM

I will say it again.......

We need to focus more on enforcing the Laws and Regulations that already exist than trying to come up with new ones! I do not want to give up one damn ounce of my own personal enjoyment to sacrifice to account for illegal activity!!!!
No amount of new Regulatikns or Biologicla Studies will be feasible until we stop this.
Posted By: turkey247

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/13/17 05:48 PM

Originally Posted By: Hogwild

We need to focus more on enforcing the Laws and Regulations that already exist than trying to come up with new ones!


I've been on that soapbox for 10 years - but I'm tired of preaching it. I've been assured by many folks in many walks of the business that we can't control our good ole southern outlaws. I say we give it a try at least!! Here I am getting worked up thinking about it!
Posted By: centralala

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/13/17 06:12 PM

Originally Posted By: Yelp softly
Originally Posted By: centralala
Originally Posted By: Yelp softly
I want to read or hear more about the deer that were found to be harvested illegally in Kevyn's research. I read it this morning so I don't recall the exact numbers but something like 5 out of 35 deer that were taken were done so illegally. That seems like a pretty high percentage. Maybe I'm naive about the amount of poaching that takes place.


I got them running together in my mind. The illegal kills could been by other means. Didn't it say collars found by roads were considered illegal when it could have been a deer/auto collision?


From page 12 of Kevyn's paper. They called it hunting related causes, maybe I should go back and read some of the finer details more thoroughly but I wouldn't think an auto collision would be classified as hunting related or illegal.

Quote:
Thirty mortalities were documented throughout the study, 77% (23/30) of which were due to hunting-related causes. Among hunting-related mortalities, 17 (74%) were legal harvests, 5 (22%) were illegal harvests, and 1 (4%) was inconclusive as to the legality of the harvest.


Page 9 says cut collars found near roads where classified as illegal harvest. My first thought was auto collision. Thinking about it now could be shot from road. Just dont really know.
Posted By: RonBuck

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/13/17 06:20 PM

Originally Posted By: centralala
Originally Posted By: Yelp softly
Originally Posted By: centralala
Originally Posted By: Yelp softly
I want to read or hear more about the deer that were found to be harvested illegally in Kevyn's research. I read it this morning so I don't recall the exact numbers but something like 5 out of 35 deer that were taken were done so illegally. That seems like a pretty high percentage. Maybe I'm naive about the amount of poaching that takes place.


I got them running together in my mind. The illegal kills could been by other means. Didn't it say collars found by roads were considered illegal when it could have been a deer/auto collision?


From page 12 of Kevyn's paper. They called it hunting related causes, maybe I should go back and read some of the finer details more thoroughly but I wouldn't think an auto collision would be classified as hunting related or illegal.

Quote:
Thirty mortalities were documented throughout the study, 77% (23/30) of which were due to hunting-related causes. Among hunting-related mortalities, 17 (74%) were legal harvests, 5 (22%) were illegal harvests, and 1 (4%) was inconclusive as to the legality of the harvest.


Page 9 says cut collars found near roads where classified as illegal harvest. My first thought was auto collision. Thinking about it now could be shot from road. Just dont really know.


I'm sure they were on the scene pretty fast, most likely if no deer was found it was a road hunter.
Posted By: BhamFred

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/13/17 08:37 PM

Originally Posted By: turkey247
Originally Posted By: Hogwild

We need to focus more on enforcing the Laws and Regulations that already exist than trying to come up with new ones!


I've been on that soapbox for 10 years - but I'm tired of preaching it. I've been assured by many folks in many walks of the business that we can't control our good ole southern outlaws. I say we give it a try at least!! Here I am getting worked up thinking about it!


if you target em you can..
Posted By: Hogwild

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/13/17 09:03 PM

Originally Posted By: BhamFred
Originally Posted By: turkey247
Originally Posted By: Hogwild

We need to focus more on enforcing the Laws and Regulations that already exist than trying to come up with new ones!


I've been on that soapbox for 10 years - but I'm tired of preaching it. I've been assured by many folks in many walks of the business that we can't control our good ole southern outlaws. I say we give it a try at least!! Here I am getting worked up thinking about it!


if you target em you can..


Ain't no doubt about it!!!

But, then again, there ain't many like you, Robert Hill, Clem Parnell, etc left.
And, the ones with potential get Politically hampered for hurting the wrong folks feelings!
Posted By: dirkdaddy

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/14/17 04:40 AM

Originally Posted By: Hogwild
I will say it again.......

We need to focus more on enforcing the Laws and Regulations that already exist than trying to come up with new ones! I do not want to give up one damn ounce of my own personal enjoyment to sacrifice to account for illegal activity!!!!
No amount of new Regulatikns or Biologicla Studies will be feasible until we stop this.
Here, here
Posted By: blade

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/14/17 07:42 AM

These are all masters thesis?
Posted By: Steve Ditchkoff

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/14/17 09:46 AM

Originally Posted By: garyo
Is there any reports on coy dogs , coy wolf's in ala.


Nothing that I'm aware of.
Posted By: Steve Ditchkoff

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/14/17 09:47 AM

Originally Posted By: centralala
Well, its not written in dumbass redneck terms. My 2 takes:
1) They collared 82 deer. 3 died PDQ leaving 79. Of those 79, 30 where killed somehow. That means 49 survived for 3 years of the study. IF I READ THIS CORRECTLY, that is an unbelievable survival rate! IF that is correct, it should give hunters who opt to pass deer up renewed hope in their choice.
2). IF IM READING IT CORRECT, most "excursions" began at sunrise. Once again, renewed hope for hunters for a buck during daylight hours.


Survival rates were greater than I had expected. Excursions did begin at sunrise...which also surprised me and is great news for hunters.
Posted By: Steve Ditchkoff

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/14/17 09:50 AM

Originally Posted By: Yelp softly
I want to read or hear more about the deer that were found to be harvested illegally in Kevyn's research. I read it this morning so I don't recall the exact numbers but something like 5 out of 35 deer that were taken were done so illegally. That seems like a pretty high percentage. Maybe I'm naive about the amount of poaching that takes place.


I would love to provide more information on these deer, but unfortunately, there is no more information to share. I think that the data are a good indication that illegal harvest can be fairly prevalent in some areas.
Posted By: Steve Ditchkoff

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/14/17 09:51 AM

Originally Posted By: blade
These are all masters thesis?


Yes (with the exception of one PhD dissertation and one BS Honors thesis). I probably should have shared this page a long time ago, but never really thought of it. If you dig through that website, you can also get to additional publications that have come out of our research program.
Posted By: blade

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/14/17 11:16 AM


Originally Posted By: Steve Ditchkoff
Originally Posted By: blade
These are all masters thesis?


Yes (with the exception of one PhD dissertation and one BS Honors thesis). I probably should have shared this page a long time ago, but never really thought of it. If you dig through that website, you can also get to additional publications that have come out of our research program.


Thanks, they appeared to be, not that it mattered.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/14/17 12:43 PM

Saying they were killed illegally because collars were found near the road is to large of an assumption. Endless possibilities to explain for that. Some probably were. This is why all research,should be taken with a grain of salt,because all people are inherently flawed and prone to jumping to conclusions based on ones particular bent. You Give a set of incomplete facts to 10 people and they would conclude 10 different outcomes potentially.
Posted By: dirkdaddy

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/14/17 01:11 PM

Originally Posted By: sgtred
Saying they were killed illegally because collars were found near the road is to large of an assumption. Endless possibilities to explain for that.
and I've got some beach front property in Arizona to sell ya.

Since the list is so endless, mind giving me more than 5 or 6 likely reasons the collars were found on the side of the road?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/14/17 01:46 PM

I think your mind is made up.Without the deer there is no way to determine how the deer was killed, could be car,could be bow,could be gun,could be anything where the person who legally killed the deer and cut off and and threw away the collar.It can't be proven otherwise,so it is an assumption.My point was you can't make an assumption a fact.even an educated guess is just that a guess.
Posted By: Hogwild

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/14/17 02:18 PM

I thought about all of those possibilities.
But, then.....realized they were GPS collars. So, they had a really good idea of where and when the deer ceased moving, or was transported. But, not enough evidence for a conviction. It
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/14/17 02:45 PM

I'm not saying that none of these deer were killed illegally,but I am also not saying they all were.This is another possibility,deer hit by vehicle at night,hunter comes along ,sees crippled up deer,puts crippled deer out of its misery,cuts off collar,loads him up,takes him home. GPS would show that deer quit moving at night next to roadway.Everybody knows somebody who has done this,Is the guy who does this a poacher or good Samaritan.I guess you could make the case that this person is a poacher,but just as many people would consider them a good samaritan
Posted By: Hogwild

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/14/17 02:52 PM

I agree with that, and considered that possibility.
However, that would still technically be illegal.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/14/17 02:58 PM

Technically,yes,but is he poacher or a good Samaritan?
Posted By: Hogwild

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/14/17 03:00 PM

Most Good Samaritans would have turned the collar in; NOT cut it off and thrown it in the woods, right?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/14/17 03:00 PM

Start a thread,see what folks think,some would want them locked up,some would want the G.W. locked up for making the case I suspect.
Posted By: Hogwild

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/14/17 03:02 PM

My only catch is that if their intentions were pure, why not turn the collar in to the Researchers?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/14/17 03:04 PM

A percentage of people would think they might get in trouble for killing a deer with a collar,and wouldn't want to find out if they are indeed in trouble or not.A percentage would just not care,A percentage would be outlaws trying to cover up a crime,What those percentages are I do not know.
Posted By: scrubbuck

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/14/17 03:06 PM

Haven't read study yet so maybe it's been done, but it would be really interesting to see the movement mapped on topo map and aerial photography.
This should give good insite into the types of habitat most utilized.
Posted By: Yelp softly

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/14/17 03:07 PM

Since the study wasn't about deer killed legally versus illegally, it's almost irrelevant. It was just an interesting side note. The study is certainly statistically valid.

I believe hunters were asked to report deer killed with collars. The paper said collars found by the side of the road or found in areas where no hunting was allowed, were deemed to be illegal harvests. While it's not inconclusive proof, it's not a stretch, and I don't believe it takes away from the true point of the study. The biggest point of the study, was the number of deer that survived two hunting seasons. It was well over half. Only 30 out of 79 were killed in two seasons if I remember correctly.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/14/17 03:30 PM

I agree,I don't believe the study is invalid, and legal vs illegal is a side note. In my opinion, this is a start, next study, more may survive,the one after that less may survive. One study is not a complete picture in my opinion and I don't believe concrete conclusions should be made. Not to say they can't be made, I am just person who likes to stay away from absolutes, I have learned that can be troublesome at times
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/14/17 03:35 PM

Just think about all the scientific conclusions that have been made in the history of mankind,that were later overturned or redefined or further understood that changed the original conclusion
Posted By: slippinlipjr

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/15/17 10:08 PM

Very good read
Posted By: BassCat

Re: Data from AU-ADCNR Deer Research - 01/17/17 09:50 PM

Good read but somewhat confusing at times. One of the things I took away was what hunters already knew is that with increased pressure adds increased nocturnal movement. I am glad to see that the study seemed to show that more people are letting immature deer go to live longer.
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